From: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
To: Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
torvalds@linux-foundation.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, anton@samba.org,
linuxppc-dev@ozlabs.org, peterz@infradead.org
Subject: Re: [RFC][PATCH] spin loop arch primitives for busy waiting
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2017 17:13:59 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170407161359.GV19342@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170407013011.7df92f04@roar.ozlabs.ibm.com>
On Fri, Apr 07, 2017 at 01:30:11AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Apr 2017 15:13:53 +0100
> Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:
> > On Thu, Apr 06, 2017 at 10:59:58AM +1000, Nicholas Piggin wrote:
> > > Thanks for taking a look. The default spin primitives should just
> > > continue to do the right thing for you in that case.
> > >
> > > Arm has a yield instruction, ia64 has a pause... No unusual
> > > requirements that I can see.
> >
> > Yield tends to be implemented as a NOP in practice, since it's in the
> > architecture for SMT CPUs and most ARM CPUs are single-threaded. We do have
> > the WFE instruction (wait for event) which is used in our implementation of
> > smp_cond_load_acquire, but I don't think we'd be able to use it with the
> > proposals here.
> >
> > WFE can stop the clock for the CPU until an "event" is signalled by
> > another CPU. This could be done by an explicit SEV (send event) instruction,
> > but that tends to require heavy barriers on the signalling side. Instead,
> > the preferred way to generate an event is to clear the exclusive monitor
> > reservation for the CPU executing the WFE. That means that the waiter
> > does something like:
> >
> > LDXR x0, [some_address] // Load exclusive from some_address
> > CMP x0, some value // If the value matches what I want
> > B.EQ out // then we're done
> > WFE // otherwise, wait
> >
> > at this point, the waiter will stop on the WFE until its monitor is cleared,
> > which happens if another CPU writes to some_address.
> >
> > We've wrapped this up in the arm64 code as __cmpwait, and we use that
> > to build smp_cond_load_acquire. It would be nice to use the same machinery
> > for the conditional spinning here, unless you anticipate that we're only
> > going to be spinning for a handful of iterations anyway?
>
> So I do want to look at adding spin loop primitives as well as the
> begin/in/end primitives to help with powerpc's SMT priorities.
>
> So we'd have:
>
> spin_begin();
> spin_do {
> if (blah) {
> spin_end();
> return;
> }
> } spin_until(!locked);
> spin_end();
>
> So you could implement your monitor with that. There's a handful of core
> places. mutex, bit spinlock, seqlock, polling idle, etc. So I think if it
> is beneficial for you in smp_cond_load_acquire, it should be useful in
> those too.
Yeah, I think we should be able to implement spin_until like we do for
smp_cond_load_acquir, although it means we need to pass in the pointer as
well.
Will
prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-04-07 16:13 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-04-03 8:13 [RFC][PATCH] spin loop arch primitives for busy waiting Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-03 8:13 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-03 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-03 15:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-03 23:50 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-04 0:43 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-04 3:02 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-04 4:11 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-05 14:01 ` David Miller
2017-04-05 14:01 ` David Miller
2017-04-06 0:59 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-06 14:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-04-06 14:13 ` Will Deacon
2017-04-06 15:16 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-06 16:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-06 17:31 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-06 19:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-06 19:41 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-04-07 3:31 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-07 9:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-07 11:26 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-06 15:30 ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-04-07 16:13 ` Will Deacon [this message]
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