From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org" <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, "oleg@redhat.com" <oleg@redhat.com>, "akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>, "dave@stgolabs.net" <dave@stgolabs.net>, "manfred@colorfullife.com" <manfred@colorfullife.com>, "tj@kernel.org" <tj@kernel.org>, "arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>, "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, "will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>, "stern@rowland.harvard.edu" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, "parri.andrea@gmail.com" <parri.andrea@gmail.com>, "torvalds@linux-foundation.org" <torvalds@linux-founda> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:24:12 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20170706162412.GE2393@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20170706161047.nse2s4gquljv5bni@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:10:47PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:21:10AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > And yes, there are architecture-specific optimizations for an > > empty spin_lock()/spin_unlock() critical section, and the current > > arch_spin_unlock_wait() implementations show some of these optimizations. > > But I expect that performance benefits would need to be demonstrated at > > the system level. > > I do in fact contended there are any optimizations for the exact > lock+unlock semantics. You lost me on this one. > The current spin_unlock_wait() is weaker. Most notably it will not (with > exception of ARM64/PPC for other reasons) cause waits on other CPUs. Agreed, weaker semantics allow more optimizations. So use cases needing only the weaker semantics should more readily show performance benefits. But either way, we need compelling use cases, and I do not believe that any of the existing spin_unlock_wait() calls are compelling. Perhaps I am confused, but I am not seeing it for any of them. Thanx, Paul
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From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com> To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> Cc: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>, "linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, "netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org" <netfilter-devel@vger.kernel.org>, "netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>, "oleg@redhat.com" <oleg@redhat.com>, "akpm@linux-foundation.org" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>, "mingo@redhat.com" <mingo@redhat.com>, "dave@stgolabs.net" <dave@stgolabs.net>, "manfred@colorfullife.com" <manfred@colorfullife.com>, "tj@kernel.org" <tj@kernel.org>, "arnd@arndb.de" <arnd@arndb.de>, "linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, "will.deacon@arm.com" <will.deacon@arm.com>, "stern@rowland.harvard.edu" <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>, "parri.andrea@gmail.com" <parri.andrea@gmail.com>, "torvalds@linux-foundation.org" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2017 09:24:12 -0700 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20170706162412.GE2393@linux.vnet.ibm.com> (raw) Message-ID: <20170706162412.e6JXf6LPT5DB0bwyzoYEDqslM8W_8LZfJGZWuH-ICac@z> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20170706161047.nse2s4gquljv5bni@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 06:10:47PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > On Thu, Jul 06, 2017 at 08:21:10AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > > And yes, there are architecture-specific optimizations for an > > empty spin_lock()/spin_unlock() critical section, and the current > > arch_spin_unlock_wait() implementations show some of these optimizations. > > But I expect that performance benefits would need to be demonstrated at > > the system level. > > I do in fact contended there are any optimizations for the exact > lock+unlock semantics. You lost me on this one. > The current spin_unlock_wait() is weaker. Most notably it will not (with > exception of ARM64/PPC for other reasons) cause waits on other CPUs. Agreed, weaker semantics allow more optimizations. So use cases needing only the weaker semantics should more readily show performance benefits. But either way, we need compelling use cases, and I do not believe that any of the existing spin_unlock_wait() calls are compelling. Perhaps I am confused, but I am not seeing it for any of them. Thanx, Paul
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-07-06 16:24 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 221+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2017-06-29 23:59 [PATCH RFC 0/26] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-29 23:59 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 01/26] netfilter: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney [not found] ` <a6642feb-2f3a-980f-5ed6-2deb79563e6b@colorfullife.com> 2017-07-02 2:00 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-02 2:00 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 14:39 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-03 14:39 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-03 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 17:14 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 19:01 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-03 19:01 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-03 19:57 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-06 18:43 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-06 18:43 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-03 20:04 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-03 20:53 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 20:53 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 02/26] task_work: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 11:04 ` Oleg Nesterov 2017-06-30 11:04 ` Oleg Nesterov 2017-06-30 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 12:50 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 15:20 ` Oleg Nesterov 2017-06-30 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 16:16 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 17:21 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 17:21 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 19:21 ` Oleg Nesterov 2017-06-30 19:21 ` Oleg Nesterov 2017-06-30 19:50 ` Alan Stern 2017-06-30 19:50 ` Alan Stern 2017-06-30 20:04 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 20:02 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 20:19 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 03/26] sched: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 10:31 ` Arnd Bergmann 2017-06-30 10:31 ` Arnd Bergmann 2017-06-30 12:35 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 12:35 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 04/26] completion: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 05/26] exit: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 06/26] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-01 19:23 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-02 3:16 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-02 3:16 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 07/26] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 08/26] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 9:19 ` Will Deacon 2017-06-30 9:19 ` Will Deacon 2017-06-30 12:38 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 12:38 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 13:13 ` Will Deacon 2017-06-30 13:13 ` Will Deacon 2017-06-30 22:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 22:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 13:15 ` Will Deacon 2017-07-03 13:15 ` Will Deacon 2017-07-03 16:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 16:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 16:40 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-07-03 17:13 ` Will Deacon 2017-07-03 22:30 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-07-03 22:49 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-07-04 0:39 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-04 0:39 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-04 0:54 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 21:10 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-03 21:10 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 09/26] alpha: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 10/26] arc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 11/26] arm: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 12/26] arm64: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 9:20 ` Will Deacon 2017-06-30 17:29 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 13/26] blackfin: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 14/26] hexagon: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 15/26] ia64: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 16/26] m32r: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 17/26] metag: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 18/26] mips: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 19/26] mn10300: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 20/26] parisc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 21/26] powerpc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-02 3:58 ` Boqun Feng 2017-07-05 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:57 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 22/26] s390: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 23/26] sh: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 24/26] sparc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 25/26] tile: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-06-30 0:06 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-06-30 0:09 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:09 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:14 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:10 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-06-30 0:10 ` Linus Torvalds 2017-06-30 0:24 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:24 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` [PATCH RFC 26/26] xtensa: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-06-30 0:01 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:29 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:29 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 18:45 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-06 18:45 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-06 20:26 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 20:26 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` [PATCH v2 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-05 23:31 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 14:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/9] Remove spin_unlock_wait() David Laight 2017-07-06 14:12 ` David Laight 2017-07-06 15:21 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 15:21 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 16:10 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:10 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:24 ` Paul E. McKenney [this message] 2017-07-06 16:24 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:41 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 17:03 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 17:03 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 16:49 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-06 16:49 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-06 16:54 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:54 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 19:37 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-06 16:05 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:05 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 16:20 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 16:50 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 16:50 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-06 17:08 ` Will Deacon 2017-07-06 17:08 ` Will Deacon 2017-07-06 17:29 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 17:29 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 17:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-06 17:18 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 8:31 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 8:31 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-07 8:44 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-07 10:33 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 10:33 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-07 11:23 ` Peter Zijlstra 2017-07-07 14:41 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 14:41 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 8:43 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 8:43 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 11:41 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 11:41 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 17:47 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-07 17:47 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-08 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 8:35 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 11:39 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 11:39 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 12:30 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 12:30 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-08 14:45 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 14:45 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-08 16:21 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-08 16:21 ` Alan Stern 2017-07-10 17:22 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-10 17:22 ` Manfred Spraul 2017-07-07 8:06 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 8:06 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 9:32 ` Ingo Molnar 2017-07-07 19:27 ` [PATCH v3 " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 1/9] net/netfilter/nf_conntrack_core: Fix net_conntrack_lock() Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 2/9] task_work: Replace spin_unlock_wait() with lock/unlock pair Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 3/9] sched: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 4/9] completion: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 5/9] exit: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 6/9] ipc: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 7/9] drivers/ata: " Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 8/9] locking: Remove spin_unlock_wait() generic definitions Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` Paul E. McKenney 2017-07-07 19:28 ` [PATCH v3 9/9] arch: Remove spin_unlock_wait() arch-specific definitions Paul E. McKenney
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