From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> To: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> Cc: x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>, "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromiun.org>, Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 05/24] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:39:48 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20180830203948.GB1936@amd> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20180830143904.3168-6-yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2419 bytes --] Hi! > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > index 9871e649ffef..b090787188b4 100644 > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > @@ -2764,6 +2764,12 @@ > noexec=on: enable non-executable mappings (default) > noexec=off: disable non-executable mappings > > + no_cet_ibt [X86-64] Disable indirect branch tracking for user-mode > + applications > + > + no_cet_shstk [X86-64] Disable shadow stack support for user-mode > + applications Hmm, not too consistent with "nosmap" below. Would it make sense to have cet=on/off/ibt/shstk instead? > +++ b/Documentation/x86/intel_cet.rst > @@ -0,0 +1,252 @@ > +========================================= > +Control Flow Enforcement Technology (CET) > +========================================= > + > +[1] Overview > +============ > + > +Control Flow Enforcement Technology (CET) provides protection against > +return/jump-oriented programing (ROP) attacks. Can you add something like "It attempts to protect process from running arbitrary code even after attacker has control of its stack" -- for people that don't know what ROP is, and perhaps link to wikipedia explaining ROP or something... > It can be implemented > +to protect both the kernel and applications. In the first phase, > +only the user-mode protection is implemented for the 64-bit kernel. > +Thirty-two bit applications are supported under the compatibility 32-bit (for consistency). Ok, so CET stops execution of malicious code before architectural effects are visible, correct? Does it prevent micro-architectural effects of the malicious code? (cache content would be one example; see Spectre). > +[3] Application Enabling > +======================== "Enabling CET in applications" ? > +Signal > +------ > + > +The main program and its signal handlers use the same SHSTK. Because > +the SHSTK stores only return addresses, we can estimate a large > +enough SHSTK to cover the condition that both the program stack and > +the sigaltstack run out. English? Is it estimate or is it large enough? "a large" -- "a" should be deleted AFAICT. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 181 bytes --]
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From: Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> To: Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> Cc: x86@kernel.org, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>, Balbir Singh <bsingharora@gmail.com>, Cyrill Gorcunov <gorcunov@gmail.com>, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>, "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>, Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>, Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromiun.org>, Mike Kravetz <mike.kravetz@oracle.com>, Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>, Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, "Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>, Vedvyas Shanbhogue <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com> Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 05/24] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 22:39:48 +0200 [thread overview] Message-ID: <20180830203948.GB1936@amd> (raw) Message-ID: <20180830203948.XHVqMPU5922tUGp8C_7Fjw9sg5HOehXHkBIf8ABKivw@z> (raw) In-Reply-To: <20180830143904.3168-6-yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 2419 bytes --] Hi! > diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > index 9871e649ffef..b090787188b4 100644 > --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt > @@ -2764,6 +2764,12 @@ > noexec=on: enable non-executable mappings (default) > noexec=off: disable non-executable mappings > > + no_cet_ibt [X86-64] Disable indirect branch tracking for user-mode > + applications > + > + no_cet_shstk [X86-64] Disable shadow stack support for user-mode > + applications Hmm, not too consistent with "nosmap" below. Would it make sense to have cet=on/off/ibt/shstk instead? > +++ b/Documentation/x86/intel_cet.rst > @@ -0,0 +1,252 @@ > +========================================= > +Control Flow Enforcement Technology (CET) > +========================================= > + > +[1] Overview > +============ > + > +Control Flow Enforcement Technology (CET) provides protection against > +return/jump-oriented programing (ROP) attacks. Can you add something like "It attempts to protect process from running arbitrary code even after attacker has control of its stack" -- for people that don't know what ROP is, and perhaps link to wikipedia explaining ROP or something... > It can be implemented > +to protect both the kernel and applications. In the first phase, > +only the user-mode protection is implemented for the 64-bit kernel. > +Thirty-two bit applications are supported under the compatibility 32-bit (for consistency). Ok, so CET stops execution of malicious code before architectural effects are visible, correct? Does it prevent micro-architectural effects of the malicious code? (cache content would be one example; see Spectre). > +[3] Application Enabling > +======================== "Enabling CET in applications" ? > +Signal > +------ > + > +The main program and its signal handlers use the same SHSTK. Because > +the SHSTK stores only return addresses, we can estimate a large > +enough SHSTK to cover the condition that both the program stack and > +the sigaltstack run out. English? Is it estimate or is it large enough? "a large" -- "a" should be deleted AFAICT. -- (english) http://www.livejournal.com/~pavelmachek (cesky, pictures) http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~pavel/picture/horses/blog.html [-- Attachment #2: Digital signature --] [-- Type: application/pgp-signature, Size: 181 bytes --]
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-08-30 20:39 UTC|newest] Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top 2018-08-30 14:38 [RFC PATCH v3 00/24] Control Flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/24] x86/cpufeatures: Add CPUIDs for Control-flow Enforcement Technology (CET) Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/24] x86/fpu/xstate: Change some names to separate XSAVES system and user states Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/24] x86/fpu/xstate: Enable XSAVES system states Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/24] x86/fpu/xstate: Add XSAVES system states for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/24] Documentation/x86: Add CET description Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 20:39 ` Pavel Machek [this message] 2018-08-30 20:39 ` Pavel Machek 2018-08-30 22:49 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 22:49 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 21:17 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 21:17 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-03 2:56 ` Randy Dunlap 2018-09-03 2:56 ` Randy Dunlap 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/24] x86/cet: Control protection exception handler Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 15:01 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-31 15:01 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-31 16:20 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 16:20 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/24] x86/cet/shstk: Add Kconfig option for user-mode shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/24] mm: Introduce VM_SHSTK for shadow stack memory Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/24] x86/mm: Change _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_HW Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/24] x86/mm: Introduce _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/24] drm/i915/gvt: Update _PAGE_DIRTY to _PAGE_DIRTY_BITS Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/24] x86/mm: Modify ptep_set_wrprotect and pmdp_set_wrprotect for _PAGE_DIRTY_SW Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 15:49 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 15:49 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 16:02 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 16:02 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 16:08 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 16:08 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 16:23 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 16:23 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 17:19 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 17:19 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 17:26 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 17:26 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 17:33 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 17:33 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 17:54 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 17:54 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 17:59 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 17:59 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 20:21 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 20:21 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 20:44 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 20:44 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 20:52 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 20:52 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 21:01 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 21:01 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 21:47 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 21:47 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-31 9:53 ` Peter Zijlstra 2018-08-31 9:53 ` Peter Zijlstra 2018-08-31 14:33 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 14:33 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 14:47 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 14:47 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 15:48 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 15:48 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 15:58 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 15:58 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra 2018-08-31 16:29 ` Peter Zijlstra 2018-09-14 20:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 20:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 20:46 ` Dave Hansen 2018-09-14 20:46 ` Dave Hansen 2018-09-14 21:08 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 21:08 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 21:33 ` Dave Hansen 2018-09-14 21:33 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 1:23 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-31 1:23 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-30 17:34 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-30 17:34 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-30 18:55 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 18:55 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 17:46 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-31 17:46 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-31 17:52 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 17:52 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 19:59 ` Randy Dunlap 2018-08-30 19:59 ` Randy Dunlap 2018-08-30 20:23 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 20:23 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 16:29 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-31 16:29 ` Dave Hansen 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/24] x86/mm: Shadow stack page fault error checking Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/24] mm: Handle shadow stack page fault Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 15/24] mm: Handle THP/HugeTLB " Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 16/24] mm: Update can_follow_write_pte/pmd for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 17/24] mm: Introduce do_mmap_locked() Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 18/24] x86/cet/shstk: User-mode shadow stack support Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 16:10 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 16:10 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 16:20 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 16:20 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` [RFC PATCH v3 19/24] x86/cet/shstk: Introduce WRUSS instruction Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:38 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 15:39 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 15:39 ` Jann Horn 2018-08-30 15:55 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-30 15:55 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-30 16:22 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 16:22 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 21:49 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 21:49 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-31 22:16 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-08-31 22:16 ` Andy Lutomirski 2018-09-14 20:46 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-14 20:46 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 20/24] x86/cet/shstk: Signal handling for shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 21/24] x86/cet/shstk: ELF header parsing of Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 22/24] x86/cet/shstk: Handle thread shadow stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 23/24] x86/cet/shstk: Add arch_prctl functions for Shadow Stack Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` [RFC PATCH v3 24/24] x86/cet/shstk: Add Shadow Stack instructions to opcode map Yu-cheng Yu 2018-08-30 14:39 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-02 8:13 ` [RFC PATCH v3 00/24] Control Flow Enforcement: Shadow Stack Balbir Singh 2018-09-02 8:13 ` Balbir Singh 2018-09-04 14:47 ` Yu-cheng Yu 2018-09-04 14:47 ` Yu-cheng Yu
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