From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/5] cpu/speculation: Add 'cpu_spec_mitigations=' cmdline options
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:12:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190405131211.GE23348@zn.tnic> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0bd17358ab478eaca52f3b1da8305c150911b40.1554396090.git.jpoimboe@redhat.com>
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 11:44:11AM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> Keeping track of the number of mitigations for all the CPU speculation
> bugs has become overwhelming for many users. It's getting more and more
> complicated to decide which mitigations are needed for a given
> architecture. Complicating matters is the fact that each arch tends to
> their own custom way to mitigate the same vulnerability.
Yap, we definitely need something like that.
> Most users fall into a few basic categories:
>
> a) they want all mitigations off;
>
> b) they want all reasonable mitigations on, with SMT enabled even if
> it's vulnerable; or
Uff, "reasonable" - there's the bikeshed waiting to happen.
> c) they want all reasonable mitigations on, with SMT disabled if
> vulnerable.
>
> Define a set of curated, arch-independent options, each of which is an
> aggregation of existing options:
>
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=off: Disable all mitigations.
"cpu_spec_mitigations" is too long, TBH.
Imagine yourself in a loud, noisy data center - you basically can't wait
to leave - crouched over a keyboard in an impossible position, having
to type that thing and then making a typo. Whoops, too late, already
pressed Enter. Shiiiit!
Now you have to wait at least 15 mins for the damn single-threaded added
value BIOS crap to noodle through all the cores just so you can try
again, because you just rebooted the box.
And I know, my ideas for shorter cmdline options are crazy, like
cpu_spec_mtg=
which people would say, yuck, unreadable...
Oh, I know! How about
cpu_vulns=
?
We already have /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities so it'll be the
same as that. Less things to remember.
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=auto: [default] Enable all the default
> mitigations, but leave SMT enabled, even if it's vulnerable.
>
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=auto,nosmt: Enable all the default mitigations,
> disabling SMT if needed by a mitigation.
Yah, the suboption choices make sense to me.
>
> Currently, these options are placeholders which don't actually do
> anything. They will be fleshed out in upcoming patches.
>
> Signed-off-by: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> ---
> .../admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 23 +++++++++++++++++++
> include/linux/cpu.h | 8 +++++++
> kernel/cpu.c | 15 ++++++++++++
> 3 files changed, 46 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> index c4d830003b21..ac42e510bd6e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> @@ -2544,6 +2544,29 @@
> in the "bleeding edge" mini2440 support kernel at
> http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/mini2440.git
>
> + cpu_spec_mitigations=
> + [KNL] Control mitigations for CPU speculation
> + vulnerabilities on affected CPUs. This is a set of
> + curated, arch-independent options, each of which is an
> + aggregation of existing options.
> +
> + off
> + Disable all speculative CPU mitigations.
Alias to
cpu_vulns=make_linux_fast_again
:-P
--
Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.
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From: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, "H . Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
Jon Masters <jcm@redhat.com>,
Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org,
Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
Heiko Carstens <heiko.carstens@de.ibm.com>,
linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
Tyler Hicks <tyhicks@canonical.com>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/5] cpu/speculation: Add 'cpu_spec_mitigations=' cmdline options
Date: Fri, 5 Apr 2019 15:12:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190405131211.GE23348@zn.tnic> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190405131211.Q2NjuOAdnJlvlrA0AG2RZhInDwko2zhWKJScqKXcYKQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f0bd17358ab478eaca52f3b1da8305c150911b40.1554396090.git.jpoimboe@redhat.com>
On Thu, Apr 04, 2019 at 11:44:11AM -0500, Josh Poimboeuf wrote:
> Keeping track of the number of mitigations for all the CPU speculation
> bugs has become overwhelming for many users. It's getting more and more
> complicated to decide which mitigations are needed for a given
> architecture. Complicating matters is the fact that each arch tends to
> their own custom way to mitigate the same vulnerability.
Yap, we definitely need something like that.
> Most users fall into a few basic categories:
>
> a) they want all mitigations off;
>
> b) they want all reasonable mitigations on, with SMT enabled even if
> it's vulnerable; or
Uff, "reasonable" - there's the bikeshed waiting to happen.
> c) they want all reasonable mitigations on, with SMT disabled if
> vulnerable.
>
> Define a set of curated, arch-independent options, each of which is an
> aggregation of existing options:
>
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=off: Disable all mitigations.
"cpu_spec_mitigations" is too long, TBH.
Imagine yourself in a loud, noisy data center - you basically can't wait
to leave - crouched over a keyboard in an impossible position, having
to type that thing and then making a typo. Whoops, too late, already
pressed Enter. Shiiiit!
Now you have to wait at least 15 mins for the damn single-threaded added
value BIOS crap to noodle through all the cores just so you can try
again, because you just rebooted the box.
And I know, my ideas for shorter cmdline options are crazy, like
cpu_spec_mtg=
which people would say, yuck, unreadable...
Oh, I know! How about
cpu_vulns=
?
We already have /sys/devices/system/cpu/vulnerabilities so it'll be the
same as that. Less things to remember.
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=auto: [default] Enable all the default
> mitigations, but leave SMT enabled, even if it's vulnerable.
>
> - cpu_spec_mitigations=auto,nosmt: Enable all the default mitigations,
> disabling SMT if needed by a mitigation.
Yah, the suboption choices make sense to me.
>
> Currently, these options are placeholders which don't actually do
> anything. They will be fleshed out in upcoming patches.
>
> Signed-off-by: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
> ---
> .../admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt | 23 +++++++++++++++++++
> include/linux/cpu.h | 8 +++++++
> kernel/cpu.c | 15 ++++++++++++
> 3 files changed, 46 insertions(+)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> index c4d830003b21..ac42e510bd6e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> +++ b/Documentation/admin-guide/kernel-parameters.txt
> @@ -2544,6 +2544,29 @@
> in the "bleeding edge" mini2440 support kernel at
> http://repo.or.cz/w/linux-2.6/mini2440.git
>
> + cpu_spec_mitigations=
> + [KNL] Control mitigations for CPU speculation
> + vulnerabilities on affected CPUs. This is a set of
> + curated, arch-independent options, each of which is an
> + aggregation of existing options.
> +
> + off
> + Disable all speculative CPU mitigations.
Alias to
cpu_vulns=make_linux_fast_again
:-P
--
Regards/Gruss,
Boris.
Good mailing practices for 400: avoid top-posting and trim the reply.
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2019-04-04 16:44 [PATCH RFC 0/5] cpu/speculation: Add 'cpu_spec_mitigations=' cmdline options Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [PATCH RFC 1/5] " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:49 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 13:12 ` Borislav Petkov [this message]
2019-04-05 13:12 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 14:20 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 14:20 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 15:20 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 15:20 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 16:01 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 16:01 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 16:18 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 16:18 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-10 5:48 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-10 5:48 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-10 8:30 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-10 8:30 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-10 12:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-10 12:10 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-11 13:15 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-11 13:15 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-12 2:41 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-12 2:41 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-12 2:29 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-12 2:29 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [PATCH RFC 2/5] x86/speculation: Add support for " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 13:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 13:57 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 14:31 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 14:31 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 15:26 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 15:26 ` Borislav Petkov
2019-04-05 16:05 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 16:05 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 15:18 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-04-05 15:18 ` Randy Dunlap
2019-04-05 15:30 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 15:30 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [PATCH RFC 3/5] powerpc/speculation: " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 19:49 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-04 19:49 ` Jiri Kosina
2019-04-04 20:01 ` Timothy Pearson
2019-04-04 20:01 ` Timothy Pearson
2019-04-10 6:06 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-10 6:06 ` Michael Ellerman
2019-04-11 4:02 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-11 4:02 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [PATCH RFC 4/5] s390/speculation: " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` [PATCH RFC 5/5] arm64/speculation: " Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:44 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 14:39 ` Steven Price
2019-04-05 14:39 ` Steven Price
2019-04-05 14:43 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 14:43 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 14:44 ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 14:44 ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 16:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-05 16:03 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2019-04-04 16:50 ` [PATCH RFC 0/5] cpu/speculation: Add " Waiman Long
2019-04-04 16:50 ` Waiman Long
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