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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>,
	Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>, Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/21] docs/memory-barriers.txt: Rewrite "KERNEL I/O BARRIER EFFECTS" section
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:58:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190410105833.GA116161@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190405135936.7266-2-will.deacon@arm.com>


Mostly minor grammer fixes:

* Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:

> + (*) readX(), writeX():
>  
> +     The readX() and writeX() MMIO accessors take a pointer to the peripheral
> +     being accessed as an __iomem * parameter. For pointers mapped with the
> +     default I/O attributes (e.g. those returned by ioremap()), then the
> +     ordering guarantees are as follows:

s/then the
 /the

> +     1. All readX() and writeX() accesses to the same peripheral are ordered
> +        with respect to each other. For example, this ensures that MMIO register
> +	writes by the CPU to a particular device will arrive in program order.

Vertical alignment whitespace damage: some indentations are done via 
spaces, one via tabs. Please standardize to tabs.

I'd also suggest:

s/For example, this ensures
 /For example this ensures


for the rest of the text too. The comma after the 'For example,' 
introductory phrase is grammatically correct but stylistically confusing, 
because in reality there's a *second* introductory phrase via "this 
ensures".

>  
> +     2. A writeX() by the CPU to the peripheral will first wait for the
> +        completion of all prior CPU writes to memory. For example, this ensures
> +        that writes by the CPU to an outbound DMA buffer allocated by
> +        dma_alloc_coherent() will be visible to a DMA engine when the CPU writes
> +        to its MMIO control register to trigger the transfer.
>  
> +     3. A readX() by the CPU from the peripheral will complete before any
> +	subsequent CPU reads from memory can begin. For example, this ensures
> +	that reads by the CPU from an incoming DMA buffer allocated by
> +	dma_alloc_coherent() will not see stale data after reading from the DMA
> +	engine's MMIO status register to establish that the DMA transfer has
> +	completed.
>  
> +     4. A readX() by the CPU from the peripheral will complete before any
> +	subsequent delay() loop can begin execution. For example, this ensures
> +	that two MMIO register writes by the CPU to a peripheral will arrive at
> +	least 1us apart if the first write is immediately read back with readX()
> +	and udelay(1) is called prior to the second writeX().

This might be more readable via some short code sequence instead?

>  
> +     __iomem pointers obtained with non-default attributes (e.g. those returned
> +     by ioremap_wc()) are unlikely to provide many of these guarantees.

This part is a bit confusing I think, because it's so cryptic. "Unlikely" 
as in probabilistic? ;-) So I think we should at least give some scope of 
the exceptions and expected trouble, or at least direct people to those 
APIs to see what the semantics are?

>  
> + (*) readX_relaxed(), writeX_relaxed():
>  
> +     These are similar to readX() and writeX(), but provide weaker memory
> +     ordering guarantees. Specifically, they do not guarantee ordering with
> +     respect to normal memory accesses or delay() loops (i.e bullets 2-4 above)
> +     but they are still guaranteed to be ordered with respect to other accesses
> +     to the same peripheral when operating on __iomem pointers mapped with the
> +     default I/O attributes.
>  
> + (*) readsX(), writesX():
>  
> +     The readsX() and writesX() MMIO accessors are designed for accessing
> +     register-based, memory-mapped FIFOs residing on peripherals that are not
> +     capable of performing DMA. Consequently, they provide only the ordering
> +     guarantees of readX_relaxed() and writeX_relaxed(), as documented above.

So is there any difference between 'X_relaxed' and 'sX' variants? What is 
the 's' about?

Thanks,

	Ingo

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.ibm.com>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Andrea Parri <andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@sifive.com>,
	Daniel Lustig <dlustig@nvidia.com>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@linux-mips.org>,
	Paul Burton <paul.burton@mips.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>, Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>,
	Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>,
	Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 01/21] docs/memory-barriers.txt: Rewrite "KERNEL I/O BARRIER EFFECTS" section
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 12:58:33 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20190410105833.GA116161@gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20190410105833.1KSVgLy5YHdXgyNtigT2CKmXQzH_C_GuMyUzZcY7PpQ@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190405135936.7266-2-will.deacon@arm.com>


Mostly minor grammer fixes:

* Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com> wrote:

> + (*) readX(), writeX():
>  
> +     The readX() and writeX() MMIO accessors take a pointer to the peripheral
> +     being accessed as an __iomem * parameter. For pointers mapped with the
> +     default I/O attributes (e.g. those returned by ioremap()), then the
> +     ordering guarantees are as follows:

s/then the
 /the

> +     1. All readX() and writeX() accesses to the same peripheral are ordered
> +        with respect to each other. For example, this ensures that MMIO register
> +	writes by the CPU to a particular device will arrive in program order.

Vertical alignment whitespace damage: some indentations are done via 
spaces, one via tabs. Please standardize to tabs.

I'd also suggest:

s/For example, this ensures
 /For example this ensures


for the rest of the text too. The comma after the 'For example,' 
introductory phrase is grammatically correct but stylistically confusing, 
because in reality there's a *second* introductory phrase via "this 
ensures".

>  
> +     2. A writeX() by the CPU to the peripheral will first wait for the
> +        completion of all prior CPU writes to memory. For example, this ensures
> +        that writes by the CPU to an outbound DMA buffer allocated by
> +        dma_alloc_coherent() will be visible to a DMA engine when the CPU writes
> +        to its MMIO control register to trigger the transfer.
>  
> +     3. A readX() by the CPU from the peripheral will complete before any
> +	subsequent CPU reads from memory can begin. For example, this ensures
> +	that reads by the CPU from an incoming DMA buffer allocated by
> +	dma_alloc_coherent() will not see stale data after reading from the DMA
> +	engine's MMIO status register to establish that the DMA transfer has
> +	completed.
>  
> +     4. A readX() by the CPU from the peripheral will complete before any
> +	subsequent delay() loop can begin execution. For example, this ensures
> +	that two MMIO register writes by the CPU to a peripheral will arrive at
> +	least 1us apart if the first write is immediately read back with readX()
> +	and udelay(1) is called prior to the second writeX().

This might be more readable via some short code sequence instead?

>  
> +     __iomem pointers obtained with non-default attributes (e.g. those returned
> +     by ioremap_wc()) are unlikely to provide many of these guarantees.

This part is a bit confusing I think, because it's so cryptic. "Unlikely" 
as in probabilistic? ;-) So I think we should at least give some scope of 
the exceptions and expected trouble, or at least direct people to those 
APIs to see what the semantics are?

>  
> + (*) readX_relaxed(), writeX_relaxed():
>  
> +     These are similar to readX() and writeX(), but provide weaker memory
> +     ordering guarantees. Specifically, they do not guarantee ordering with
> +     respect to normal memory accesses or delay() loops (i.e bullets 2-4 above)
> +     but they are still guaranteed to be ordered with respect to other accesses
> +     to the same peripheral when operating on __iomem pointers mapped with the
> +     default I/O attributes.
>  
> + (*) readsX(), writesX():
>  
> +     The readsX() and writesX() MMIO accessors are designed for accessing
> +     register-based, memory-mapped FIFOs residing on peripherals that are not
> +     capable of performing DMA. Consequently, they provide only the ordering
> +     guarantees of readX_relaxed() and writeX_relaxed(), as documented above.

So is there any difference between 'X_relaxed' and 'sX' variants? What is 
the 's' about?

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2019-04-10 10:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-04-05 13:59 [PATCH v2 00/21] Remove Mysterious Macro Intended to Obscure Weird Behaviours (mmiowb()) Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 01/21] docs/memory-barriers.txt: Rewrite "KERNEL I/O BARRIER EFFECTS" section Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-10 10:58   ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2019-04-10 10:58     ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-10 12:28     ` Will Deacon
2019-04-10 12:28       ` Will Deacon
2019-04-11 11:00       ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-11 11:00         ` Ingo Molnar
2019-04-11 22:12   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-11 22:12     ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-11 22:34     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-11 22:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-12  2:07       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-12  2:07         ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-12 13:17         ` Will Deacon
2019-04-12 13:17           ` Will Deacon
2019-04-15  4:05           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-15  4:05             ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2019-04-16  9:13             ` Will Deacon
2019-04-16  9:13               ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 02/21] asm-generic/mmiowb: Add generic implementation of mmiowb() tracking Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 03/21] arch: Use asm-generic header for asm/mmiowb.h Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 04/21] mmiowb: Hook up mmiowb helpers to spinlocks and generic I/O accessors Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 05/21] ARM/io: Remove useless definition of mmiowb() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 06/21] arm64/io: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 07/21] x86/io: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 14:14   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-05 14:14     ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 08/21] nds32/io: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 09/21] m68k/io: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 10/21] sh/mmiowb: Add unconditional mmiowb() to arch_spin_unlock() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 11/21] mips/mmiowb: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 12/21] ia64/mmiowb: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 13/21] powerpc/mmiowb: Hook up mmwiob() implementation to asm-generic code Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 14/21] riscv/mmiowb: " Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 15/21] Documentation: Kill all references to mmiowb() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 16/21] drivers: Remove useless trailing comments from mmiowb() invocations Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 17/21] drivers: Remove explicit invocations of mmiowb() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 15:50   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-05 15:50     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-09  9:00     ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-04-09  9:00       ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-04-09 13:46       ` Will Deacon
2019-04-09 13:46         ` Will Deacon
2019-04-10  0:25         ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-04-10  0:25           ` Nicholas Piggin
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 18/21] scsi/qla1280: Remove stale comment about mmiowb() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 19/21] i40iw: Redefine i40iw_mmiowb() to do nothing Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 20/21] net/ethernet/silan/sc92031: Remove stale comment about mmiowb() Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59 ` [PATCH v2 21/21] arch: Remove dummy mmiowb() definitions from arch code Will Deacon
2019-04-05 13:59   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 15:55 ` [PATCH v2 00/21] Remove Mysterious Macro Intended to Obscure Weird Behaviours (mmiowb()) Linus Torvalds
2019-04-05 15:55   ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-05 16:09   ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 16:09     ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 16:15     ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-05 16:15       ` Linus Torvalds
2019-04-05 16:30       ` Will Deacon
2019-04-05 16:30         ` Will Deacon

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