From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Minchan Kim Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/28] mm: only allow page table mappings for built-in zsmalloc Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:11:36 -0700 Message-ID: <20200410231136.GA101325@google.com> References: <20200408115926.1467567-1-hch@lst.de> <20200408115926.1467567-11-hch@lst.de> <20200409160826.GC247701@google.com> <20200409165030.GG20713@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200409170813.GD247701@google.com> <20200410023845.GA2354@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Return-path: Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200410023845.GA2354@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org To: Sergey Senozhatsky Cc: Peter Zijlstra , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , "K. Y. Srinivasan" , Haiyang Zhang , Stephen Hemminger , Wei Liu , x86@kernel.org, David Airlie , Daniel Vetter , Laura Abbott , Sumit Semwal , Sakari Ailus , Nitin Gupta , Robin Murphy , Christophe Leroy , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org List-Id: linux-arch.vger.kernel.org Hi Sergey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:38:45AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote: > On (20/04/09 10:08), Minchan Kim wrote: > > > > Even though I don't know how many usecase we have using zsmalloc as > > > > module(I heard only once by dumb reason), it could affect existing > > > > users. Thus, please include concrete explanation in the patch to > > > > justify when the complain occurs. > > > > > > The justification is 'we can unexport functions that have no sane reason > > > of being exported in the first place'. > > > > > > The Changelog pretty much says that. > > > > Okay, I hope there is no affected user since this patch. > > If there are someone, they need to provide sane reason why they want > > to have zsmalloc as module. > > I'm one of those who use zsmalloc as a module - mainly because I use zram > as a compressing general purpose block device, not as a swap device. > I create zram0, mkfs, mount, checkout and compile code, once done - > umount, rmmod. This reduces the number of writes to SSD. Some people use > tmpfs, but zram device(-s) can be much larger in size. That's a niche use > case and I'm not against the patch. It doesn't mean we couldn't use zsmalloc as module any longer. It means we couldn't use zsmalloc as module with pgtable mapping whcih was little bit faster on microbenchmark in some architecutre(However, I usually temped to remove it since it had several problems). However, we could still use zsmalloc as module as copy way instead of pgtable mapping. Thus, if someone really want to rollback the feature, they should provide reasonable reason why it doesn't work for them. "A little fast" wouldn't be enough to exports deep internal to the module. Thanks. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2020 16:11:36 -0700 From: Minchan Kim Subject: Re: [PATCH 10/28] mm: only allow page table mappings for built-in zsmalloc Message-ID: <20200410231136.GA101325@google.com> References: <20200408115926.1467567-1-hch@lst.de> <20200408115926.1467567-11-hch@lst.de> <20200409160826.GC247701@google.com> <20200409165030.GG20713@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20200409170813.GD247701@google.com> <20200410023845.GA2354@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20200410023845.GA2354@jagdpanzerIV.localdomain> Sender: owner-linux-mm@kvack.org To: Sergey Senozhatsky Cc: Peter Zijlstra , Christoph Hellwig , Andrew Morton , "K. Y. Srinivasan" , Haiyang Zhang , Stephen Hemminger , Wei Liu , x86@kernel.org, David Airlie , Daniel Vetter , Laura Abbott , Sumit Semwal , Sakari Ailus , Nitin Gupta , Robin Murphy , Christophe Leroy , linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-hyperv@vger.kernel.org, dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, iommu@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Message-ID: <20200410231136.4xZbNuO8ftGCfGnpkFxwGt79p-fvrTBm7ymPCXHy1-w@z> Hi Sergey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 11:38:45AM +0900, Sergey Senozhatsky wrote: > On (20/04/09 10:08), Minchan Kim wrote: > > > > Even though I don't know how many usecase we have using zsmalloc as > > > > module(I heard only once by dumb reason), it could affect existing > > > > users. Thus, please include concrete explanation in the patch to > > > > justify when the complain occurs. > > > > > > The justification is 'we can unexport functions that have no sane reason > > > of being exported in the first place'. > > > > > > The Changelog pretty much says that. > > > > Okay, I hope there is no affected user since this patch. > > If there are someone, they need to provide sane reason why they want > > to have zsmalloc as module. > > I'm one of those who use zsmalloc as a module - mainly because I use zram > as a compressing general purpose block device, not as a swap device. > I create zram0, mkfs, mount, checkout and compile code, once done - > umount, rmmod. This reduces the number of writes to SSD. Some people use > tmpfs, but zram device(-s) can be much larger in size. That's a niche use > case and I'm not against the patch. It doesn't mean we couldn't use zsmalloc as module any longer. It means we couldn't use zsmalloc as module with pgtable mapping whcih was little bit faster on microbenchmark in some architecutre(However, I usually temped to remove it since it had several problems). However, we could still use zsmalloc as module as copy way instead of pgtable mapping. Thus, if someone really want to rollback the feature, they should provide reasonable reason why it doesn't work for them. "A little fast" wouldn't be enough to exports deep internal to the module. Thanks.