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From: Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: kernel list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	kernel-team <kernel-team@android.com>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Michael Ellerman <mpe@ellerman.id.au>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Segher Boessenkool <segher@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>,
	Luc Van Oostenryck <luc.vanoostenryck@gmail.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Peter Oberparleiter <oberpar@linux.ibm.com>,
	Masahiro Yamada <masahiroy@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 07/11] READ_ONCE: Enforce atomicity for {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() memory accesses
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:11:35 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200424171135.GJ21141@willie-the-truck> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez2n6g6nenHM8uB5U+e-Zo1PSA6n9LOBHeqG2HdUnwFpSQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 06:31:35PM +0200, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2020 at 5:15 PM Will Deacon <will@kernel.org> wrote:
> > {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() cannot guarantee atomicity for arbitrary data sizes.
> > This can be surprising to callers that might incorrectly be expecting
> > atomicity for accesses to aggregate structures, although there are other
> > callers where tearing is actually permissable (e.g. if they are using
> > something akin to sequence locking to protect the access).
> [...]
> > The slight snag is that we also have to support 64-bit accesses on 32-bit
> > architectures, as these appear to be widespread and tend to work out ok
> > if either the architecture supports atomic 64-bit accesses (x86, armv7)
> > or if the variable being accesses represents a virtual address and
> > therefore only requires 32-bit atomicity in practice.
> >
> > Take a step in that direction by introducing a variant of
> > 'compiletime_assert_atomic_type()' and use it to check the pointer
> > argument to {READ,WRITE}_ONCE(). Expose __{READ,WRITE}_ONCE() variants
> > which are allowed to tear and convert the one broken caller over to the
> > new macros.
> [...]
> > +/*
> > + * Yes, this permits 64-bit accesses on 32-bit architectures. These will
> > + * actually be atomic in many cases (namely x86), but for others we rely on
> 
> I don't think that's correct?

[...]

> AFAIK 32-bit X86 code that wants to atomically load 8 bytes of memory
> has to use CMPXCHG8B; and gcc won't generate such code just based on a
> volatile load/store.

My apologies, you're completely right. I thought that PAE mandated 64-bit
atomicity, like it does on 32-bit ARM, but that's apparently not the case
and looking at the 32-bit x86 pgtable code they have to be really careful
there.

I'll update the comment.

Will

  reply	other threads:[~2020-04-24 17:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-04-21 15:15 [PATCH v4 00/11] Rework READ_ONCE() to improve codegen Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] compiler/gcc: Raise minimum GCC version for kernel builds to 4.8 Will Deacon
2020-04-21 17:15   ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] netfilter: Avoid assigning 'const' pointer to non-const pointer Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] net: tls: " Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] fault_inject: Don't rely on "return value" from WRITE_ONCE() Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] arm64: csum: Disable KASAN for do_csum() Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22  9:49   ` Mark Rutland
2020-04-22  9:49     ` Mark Rutland
2020-04-22 10:41     ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22 11:01       ` Robin Murphy
2020-04-24  9:41         ` David Laight
2020-04-24 11:00           ` Robin Murphy
2020-04-24 13:04             ` David Laight
2020-04-24 13:04               ` David Laight
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] READ_ONCE: Simplify implementations of {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22  9:51   ` Mark Rutland
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] READ_ONCE: Enforce atomicity for {READ,WRITE}_ONCE() memory accesses Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-24 16:31   ` Jann Horn
2020-04-24 17:11     ` Will Deacon [this message]
2020-04-24 17:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] READ_ONCE: Drop pointer qualifiers when reading from scalar types Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22 10:25   ` Rasmus Villemoes
2020-04-22 11:48     ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-22 11:48       ` Segher Boessenkool
2020-04-22 13:11       ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22 13:11         ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22 14:54   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] locking/barriers: Use '__unqual_scalar_typeof' for load-acquire macros Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] arm64: barrier: Use '__unqual_scalar_typeof' for acquire/release macros Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] gcov: Remove old GCC 3.4 support Will Deacon
2020-04-21 15:15   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-21 17:19   ` Masahiro Yamada
2020-04-21 18:42 ` [PATCH v4 00/11] Rework READ_ONCE() to improve codegen Linus Torvalds
2020-04-21 18:42   ` Linus Torvalds
2020-04-22  8:18   ` Will Deacon
2020-04-22 11:37     ` Peter Zijlstra
2020-04-22 12:26       ` Will Deacon
2020-04-24 13:42         ` Will Deacon
2020-04-24 15:54           ` Marco Elver
2020-04-24 16:52             ` Will Deacon

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