From: peterz@infradead.org
To: Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>
Cc: paulmck@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, kernel-team@fb.com, mingo@kernel.org,
stern@rowland.harvard.edu, parri.andrea@gmail.com,
will@kernel.org, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com,
j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH kcsan 6/9] tools/memory-model: Expand the cheatsheet.txt notion of relaxed
Date: Wed, 2 Sep 2020 12:14:12 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200902101412.GC1362448@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200902035448.GC49492@debian-boqun.qqnc3lrjykvubdpftowmye0fmh.lx.internal.cloudapp.net>
On Wed, Sep 02, 2020 at 11:54:48AM +0800, Boqun Feng wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2020 at 11:20:34AM -0700, paulmck@kernel.org wrote:
> > From: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
> >
> > This commit adds a key entry enumerating the various types of relaxed
> > operations.
> >
> > Signed-off-by: Paul E. McKenney <paulmck@kernel.org>
> > ---
> > tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt | 27 ++++++++++++++-----------
> > 1 file changed, 15 insertions(+), 12 deletions(-)
> >
> > diff --git a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > index 33ba98d..31b814d 100644
> > --- a/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > +++ b/tools/memory-model/Documentation/cheatsheet.txt
> > @@ -5,7 +5,7 @@
> >
> > Store, e.g., WRITE_ONCE() Y Y
> > Load, e.g., READ_ONCE() Y Y Y Y
> > -Unsuccessful RMW operation Y Y Y Y
> > +Relaxed operation Y Y Y Y
> > rcu_dereference() Y Y Y Y
> > Successful *_acquire() R Y Y Y Y Y Y
> > Successful *_release() C Y Y Y W Y
> > @@ -17,14 +17,17 @@ smp_mb__before_atomic() CP Y Y Y a a a a Y
> > smp_mb__after_atomic() CP a a Y Y Y Y Y Y
> >
> >
> > -Key: C: Ordering is cumulative
> > - P: Ordering propagates
> > - R: Read, for example, READ_ONCE(), or read portion of RMW
> > - W: Write, for example, WRITE_ONCE(), or write portion of RMW
> > - Y: Provides ordering
> > - a: Provides ordering given intervening RMW atomic operation
> > - DR: Dependent read (address dependency)
> > - DW: Dependent write (address, data, or control dependency)
> > - RMW: Atomic read-modify-write operation
> > - SELF: Orders self, as opposed to accesses before and/or after
> > - SV: Orders later accesses to the same variable
> > +Key: Relaxed: A relaxed operation is either a *_relaxed() RMW
> > + operation, an unsuccessful RMW operation, or one of
> > + the atomic_read() and atomic_set() family of operations.
>
> To be accurate, atomic_set() doesn't return any value, so it cannot be
> ordered against DR and DW ;-)
Surely DW is valid for any store.
> I think we can split the Relaxed family into two groups:
>
> void Relaxed: atomic_set() or atomic RMW operations that don't return
> any value (e.g atomic_inc())
>
> non-void Relaxed: a *_relaxed() RMW operation, an unsuccessful RMW
> operation, or atomic_read().
>
> And "void Relaxed" is similar to WRITE_ONCE(), only has "Self" and "SV"
> equal "Y", while "non-void Relaxed" plays the same rule as "Relaxed"
> in this patch.
>
> Thoughts?
I get confused by the mention of all this atomic_read() atomic_set()
crud in the first place, why are they called out specifically from any
other regular load/store ?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2020-09-02 10:14 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 30+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2020-08-31 18:20 [PATCH memory-model 0/9] LKMM updates for v5.10 Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 1/9] docs: fix references for DMA*.txt files paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 2/9] Replace HTTP links with HTTPS ones: LKMM paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 3/9] tools/memory-model: Update recipes.txt prime_numbers.c path paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 4/9] tools/memory-model: Improve litmus-test documentation paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 5/9] tools/memory-model: Add a simple entry point document paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 6/9] tools/memory-model: Expand the cheatsheet.txt notion of relaxed paulmck
2020-09-02 3:54 ` Boqun Feng
2020-09-02 10:14 ` peterz [this message]
2020-09-02 12:37 ` Boqun Feng
2020-09-02 12:47 ` peterz
2020-09-03 23:30 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-04 0:59 ` Boqun Feng
2020-09-04 2:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-04 2:47 ` Boqun Feng
2020-09-04 19:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 7/9] tools/memory-model: Move Documentation description to Documentation/README paulmck
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 8/9] tools/memory-model: Document categories of ordering primitives paulmck
2020-08-31 22:34 ` Akira Yokosawa
2020-08-31 23:12 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-01 1:23 ` Alan Stern
2020-09-01 2:58 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-08-31 18:20 ` [PATCH kcsan 9/9] tools/memory-model: Document locking corner cases paulmck
2020-08-31 20:17 ` Alan Stern
2020-08-31 21:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-01 1:45 ` Alan Stern
2020-09-01 17:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-01 20:11 ` Alan Stern
2020-09-03 23:45 ` Paul E. McKenney
2020-09-04 19:52 ` Alan Stern
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