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From: Jessica Yu <jeyu@kernel.org>
To: Johan Hovold <johan@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>,
	Frank Rowand <frowand.list@gmail.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@gooogle.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Dmitry Torokhov <dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Jakub Jelinek <jakub@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Daniel Kurtz <djkurtz@chromium.org>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-m68k@lists.linux-m68k.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] linker-section array fix and clean ups
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2020 17:03:45 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20201106160344.GA12184@linux-8ccs.fritz.box> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20201103175711.10731-1-johan@kernel.org>

+++ Johan Hovold [03/11/20 18:57 +0100]:
>We rely on the linker to create arrays for a number of things including
>kernel parameters and device-tree-match entries.
>
>The stride of these linker-section arrays obviously needs to match the
>expectations of the code accessing them or bad things will happen.
>
>One thing to watch out for is that gcc is known to increase the
>alignment of larger objects with static extent as an optimisation (on
>x86), but this can be suppressed by using the aligned attribute when
>declaring entries.
>
>We've been relying on this behaviour for 16 years for kernel parameters
>(and other structures) and it indeed hasn't changed since the
>introduction of the aligned attribute in gcc 3.1 (see align_variable()
>in [1]).
>
>Occasionally this gcc optimisation do cause problems which have instead
>been worked around in various creative ways including using indirection
>through an array of pointers. This was originally done for tracepoints
>[2] after a number of failed attempts to create properly aligned arrays,
>and the approach was later reused for module-version attributes [3] and
>earlycon entries.

>[2] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20110126222622.GA10794@Krystal/

Hi Johan,

So unfortunately, I am not familiar enough with the semantics of gcc's
aligned attribute. AFAICT from the patch you linked in [2], the
original purpose of the pointer indirection workaround was to avoid
relying on (potentially inconsistent) compiler-specific behavior with
respect to the aligned attribute. The main concern was potential
up-alignment being done by gcc (or the linker) despite the desired
alignment being specified. Indeed, the gcc documentation also states
that the aligned attribute only specifies the *minimum* alignment,
although there's no guarantee that up-alignment wouldn't occur.

So I guess my question is, is there some implicit guarantee that
specifying alignment by type via __alignof__ that's supposed to
prevent gcc from up-aligning? Or are we just assuming that gcc won't
increase the alignment? The gcc docs don't seem to clarify this
unfortunately.

Thanks,

Jessica





  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-11-06 16:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-11-03 17:57 [PATCH 0/8] linker-section array fix and clean ups Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 1/8] of: fix linker-section match-table corruption Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 2/8] earlycon: simplify earlycon-table implementation Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 3/8] module: drop version-attribute alignment Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 4/8] module: simplify version-attribute handling Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 5/8] init: use type alignment for kernel parameters Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 6/8] params: drop redundant "unused" attributes Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 7/8] params: use type alignment for kernel parameters Johan Hovold
2020-11-03 17:57 ` [PATCH 8/8] params: clean up module-param macros Johan Hovold
2020-11-04  9:16 ` get_maintainer.pl bug? (was: Re: [PATCH 0/8] linker-section array fix and clean ups) Johan Hovold
2020-11-04 12:04   ` Joe Perches
2020-11-04 15:31     ` Johan Hovold
2020-11-06 16:03 ` Jessica Yu [this message]
2020-11-06 16:45   ` [PATCH 0/8] linker-section array fix and clean ups Johan Hovold
2020-11-06 16:55     ` Steven Rostedt
2020-11-06 17:02       ` Johan Hovold
2020-11-11 15:47     ` Jessica Yu
2020-11-13 14:18       ` Johan Hovold
2020-11-23 10:39         ` Johan Hovold
2020-11-25 14:51           ` Jessica Yu
2020-11-27  9:59             ` Johan Hovold
2020-12-01  9:55               ` Jessica Yu

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