From: Wei Liu <wei.liu@kernel.org>
To: Tianyu Lan <ltykernel@gmail.com>
Cc: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
Tom Lendacky <thomas.lendacky@amd.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH V7 1/5] swiotlb: Add swiotlb bounce buffer remap function for HV IVM
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 11:05:01 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211216110501.y2i7adl3ilkrodaq@liuwe-devbox-debian-v2> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <fb2ff8b7-ab8c-7c4b-0850-222cd2cf7c4a@gmail.com>
On Wed, Dec 15, 2021 at 01:00:38PM +0800, Tianyu Lan wrote:
>
>
> On 12/15/2021 6:40 AM, Dave Hansen wrote:
> > On 12/14/21 2:23 PM, Tom Lendacky wrote:
> > > > I don't really understand how this can be more general any *not* get
> > > > utilized by the existing SEV support.
> > >
> > > The Virtual Top-of-Memory (VTOM) support is an SEV-SNP feature that is
> > > meant to be used with a (relatively) un-enlightened guest. The idea is
> > > that the C-bit in the guest page tables must be 0 for all accesses. It
> > > is only the physical address relative to VTOM that determines if the
> > > access is encrypted or not. So setting sme_me_mask will actually cause
> > > issues when running with this feature. Since all DMA for an SEV-SNP
> > > guest must still be to shared (unencrypted) memory, some enlightenment
> > > is needed. In this case, memory mapped above VTOM will provide that via
> > > the SWIOTLB update. For SEV-SNP guests running with VTOM, they are
> > > likely to also be running with the Reflect #VC feature, allowing a
> > > "paravisor" to handle any #VCs generated by the guest.
> > >
> > > See sections 15.36.8 "Virtual Top-of-Memory" and 15.36.9 "Reflect #VC"
> > > in volume 2 of the AMD APM [1].
> >
> > Thanks, Tom, that's pretty much what I was looking for.
> >
> > The C-bit normally comes from the page tables. But, the hardware also
> > provides an alternative way to effectively get C-bit behavior without
> > actually setting the bit in the page tables: Virtual Top-of-Memory
> > (VTOM). Right?
> >
> > It sounds like Hyper-V has chosen to use VTOM instead of requiring the
> > guest to do the C-bit in its page tables.
> >
> > But, the thing that confuses me is when you said: "it (VTOM) is meant to
> > be used with a (relatively) un-enlightened guest". We don't have an
> > unenlightened guest here. We have Linux, which is quite enlightened.
> >
> > > Is VTOM being used because there's something that completely rules out
> > > using the C-bit in the page tables? What's that "something"?
>
>
> For "un-enlightened" guest, there is an another system running insider
> the VM to emulate some functions(tsc, timer, interrupt and so on) and
> this helps not to modify OS(Linux/Windows) a lot. In Hyper-V Isolation
> VM, we called the new system as HCL/paravisor. HCL runs in the VMPL0 and
> Linux runs in VMPL2. This is similar with nested virtualization. HCL
> plays similar role as L1 hypervisor to emulate some general functions
> (e.g, rdmsr/wrmsr accessing and interrupt injection) which needs to be
> enlightened in the enlightened guest. Linux kernel needs to handle
> #vc/#ve exception directly in the enlightened guest. HCL handles such
> exception in un-enlightened guest and emulate interrupt injection which
> helps not to modify OS core part code. Using vTOM also is same purpose.
> Hyper-V uses vTOM avoid changing page table related code in OS(include
> Windows and Linux)and just needs to map memory into decrypted address
> space above vTOM in the driver code.
>
> Linux has generic swiotlb bounce buffer implementation and so introduce
> swiotlb_unencrypted_base here to set shared memory boundary or vTOM.
> Hyper-V Isolation VM is un-enlightened guest. Hyper-V doesn't expose sev/sme
> capability to guest and so SEV code actually doesn't work.
> So we also can't interact current existing SEV code and these code is
> for enlightened guest support without HCL/paravisor. If other platforms
> or SEV want to use similar vTOM feature, swiotlb_unencrypted_base can
> be reused. So swiotlb_unencrypted_base is a general solution for all
> platforms besides SEV and Hyper-V.
>
Thanks for the detailed explanation.
Dave, are you happy with this?
The code looks pretty solid to my untrained eyes. And the series has
collected necessary acks from stakeholders. If I don't hear objection by
EOD Friday I will apply this series to hyperv-next.
Wei.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-16 11:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-12-13 7:14 [PATCH V7 0/5] x86/Hyper-V: Add Hyper-V Isolation VM support(Second part) Tianyu Lan
2021-12-13 7:14 ` [PATCH V7 1/5] swiotlb: Add swiotlb bounce buffer remap function for HV IVM Tianyu Lan
2021-12-13 16:45 ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-14 4:36 ` Tianyu Lan
2021-12-14 18:40 ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-14 22:23 ` Tom Lendacky
2021-12-14 22:40 ` Dave Hansen
2021-12-15 5:00 ` Tianyu Lan
2021-12-16 11:05 ` Wei Liu [this message]
2021-12-13 7:14 ` [PATCH V7 2/5] x86/hyper-v: Add hyperv Isolation VM check in the cc_platform_has() Tianyu Lan
2021-12-14 15:33 ` Wei Liu
2021-12-14 16:05 ` Borislav Petkov
2021-12-14 16:10 ` Wei Liu
2021-12-13 7:14 ` [PATCH V7 3/5] hyper-v: Enable swiotlb bounce buffer for Isolation VM Tianyu Lan
2021-12-13 7:14 ` [PATCH V7 4/5] scsi: storvsc: Add Isolation VM support for storvsc driver Tianyu Lan
2021-12-15 19:19 ` Long Li
2022-02-03 23:53 ` Jakub Kicinski
2022-02-04 2:55 ` Jakub Kicinski
2021-12-13 7:14 ` [PATCH V7 5/5] net: netvsc: Add Isolation VM support for netvsc driver Tianyu Lan
2021-12-13 16:56 ` Haiyang Zhang
2021-12-14 18:35 ` [PATCH V7 0/5] x86/Hyper-V: Add Hyper-V Isolation VM support(Second part) Michael Kelley (LINUX)
2021-12-17 18:02 ` Wei Liu
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