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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Pavel Begunkov <asml.silence@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v10 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2024 09:16:25 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240610121625.GI791043@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <54975459-7a5a-46ff-a9ae-dc16ceffbab4@gmail.com>

On Mon, Jun 10, 2024 at 02:07:01AM +0100, Pavel Begunkov wrote:
> On 6/10/24 01:37, David Wei wrote:
> > On 2024-06-07 17:52, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > IMHO it seems to compose poorly if you can only use the io_uring
> > > lifecycle model with io_uring registered memory, and not with DMABUF
> > > memory registered through Mina's mechanism.
> > 
> > By this, do you mean io_uring must be exclusively used to use this
> > feature?
> > 
> > And you'd rather see the two decoupled, so userspace can register w/ say
> > dmabuf then pass it to io_uring?
> 
> Personally, I have no clue what Jason means. You can just as
> well say that it's poorly composable that write(2) to a disk
> cannot post a completion into a XDP ring, or a netlink socket,
> or io_uring's main completion queue, or name any other API.

There is no reason you shouldn't be able to use your fast io_uring
completion and lifecycle flow with DMABUF backed memory. Those are not
widly different things and there is good reason they should work
together.

Pretending they are totally different just because two different
people wrote them is a very siloed view.

> The devmem TCP callback can implement it in a way feasible to
> the project, but it cannot directly post events to an unrelated
> API like io_uring. And devmem attaches buffers to a socket,
> for which a ring for returning buffers might even be a nuisance.

If you can't compose your io_uring completion mechanism with a DMABUF
provided backing store then I think it needs more work.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2024-06-10 12:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-05-30 20:15 [PATCH net-next v10 00/14] Device Memory TCP Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 01/14] netdev: add netdev_rx_queue_restart() Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 23:51   ` David Wei
2024-06-03 12:52   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 02/14] net: page_pool: create hooks for custom page providers Mina Almasry
2024-06-01  5:35   ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-03 14:17     ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-03 14:52       ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-03 15:43         ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-07 13:42           ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-07 14:27             ` David Ahern
2024-06-07 14:52               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-10  0:37                 ` David Wei
2024-06-10  1:07                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-10 12:16                     ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2024-06-10 12:38                       ` Christian König
2024-06-10 15:41                         ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-10 19:32                           ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-10 16:22                         ` Daniel Vetter
2024-06-11  6:25                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-11  8:21                           ` Christian König
2024-06-10 15:16                       ` David Ahern
2024-06-10 19:20                         ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-10 22:15                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-11 18:09                             ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-12 12:06                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-12 15:47                                 ` David Ahern
2024-06-17 19:15                             ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-11  6:26                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-11 17:48                           ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-07 15:42               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-07 15:46                 ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-07 16:59                   ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-10  1:12                     ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-10  0:27               ` David Wei
2024-06-05  8:24         ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-07 13:45           ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-11  6:34             ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-17 18:04               ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-18  6:43                 ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-06-18 11:40                   ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-06-05  8:23       ` Christoph Hellwig
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 03/14] net: netdev netlink api to bind dma-buf to a net device Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 04/14] netdev: support binding dma-buf to netdevice Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 05/14] netdev: netdevice devmem allocator Mina Almasry
2024-06-04 10:13   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-04 16:15     ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-04 16:31       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-06-04 16:42         ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-04 23:44           ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-05  0:27             ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-05  0:52               ` Andrew Lunn
2024-06-06  1:43                 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-07  7:55               ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 06/14] page_pool: convert to use netmem Mina Almasry
2024-06-04 10:23   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-06  1:48   ` Steven Rostedt
2024-06-07 12:31     ` Pavel Begunkov
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 07/14] page_pool: devmem support Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 08/14] memory-provider: dmabuf devmem memory provider Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 09/14] net: support non paged skb frags Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 10/14] net: add support for skbs with unreadable frags Mina Almasry
2024-06-04 10:46   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-06-06 16:49     ` Mina Almasry
2024-06-06 16:58       ` Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 11/14] tcp: RX path for devmem TCP Mina Almasry
2024-06-04 10:53   ` Paolo Abeni
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 12/14] net: add SO_DEVMEM_DONTNEED setsockopt to release RX frags Mina Almasry
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 13/14] net: add devmem TCP documentation Mina Almasry
2024-06-01 13:09   ` Bagas Sanjaya
2024-05-30 20:16 ` [PATCH net-next v10 14/14] selftests: add ncdevmem, netcat for devmem TCP Mina Almasry

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