From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Lance Yang <lance.yang@linux.dev>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 7.2 v10 1/2] mm/mmu_gather: prepare to skip redundant sync IPIs
Date: Tue, 26 May 2026 18:44:17 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260526184417.a4de7beb76bce85d7597b676@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f437455d-1598-483d-9dcf-1932d265ef3f@intel.com>
On Fri, 24 Apr 2026 08:52:16 -0700 Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com> wrote:
> On 4/24/26 08:04, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > So I don't like this at all.... The comment says there is a preceding
> > TLB flush, but there is nothing that guarantees there is. One would have
> > to go audit all users and ensure this is always true.
> >
> > This thing is incredibly fragile.
>
> Yeah, this seems like an attempt to apply a code solution to a data
> structure problem.
>
> I think I talked about this in earlier iterations. But, ideally, what
> happens here is that the things doing the table freeing or collapsing or
> whatever would note in a data structure what they did.
>
> Then the actual flushing code can look at the data structure and figure
> out what kind of flush it needs. Things like "do I need to flush on lazy
> CPUs?" Or, "have I done an IPI since the last page table free?"
>
> But, if I remember from earlier in this thread, some of the callers of
> this stuff didn't have a nice data structure (like an mmu_gather) passed
> in to the places where it would be needed to exfiltrate the information.
>
> I think Lance gave up on that because it looked too invasive to him.
>
> But, I think this boils down to the code being too fragile as-is to
> support what Lance is trying to do. It actually needs some refactoring
> love before it can support the desired optimization. I'm not sure
> there's an easy way out here.
Well this is a bummer. Looky:
> On a 64-core Intel x86 server, the CAL interrupt count in
> /proc/interrupts dropped from 646,316 to 785 when collapsing a 20 GiB
> range with this series applied.
It would have been nice.
Oh well, it's been a month with no progress so this patchset appears to
be before its time. Thanks all, I'll drop this from the 7.1 queue.
(otoh, "a month with no progress" == "decently tested")!
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-27 1:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-04-24 6:25 [PATCH 7.2 v10 0/2] skip redundant sync IPIs when TLB flush sent them Lance Yang
2026-04-24 6:25 ` [PATCH 7.2 v10 1/2] mm/mmu_gather: prepare to skip redundant sync IPIs Lance Yang
2026-04-24 15:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 15:52 ` Dave Hansen
2026-05-27 1:44 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2026-04-24 15:40 ` Lance Yang
2026-04-24 6:25 ` [PATCH 7.2 v10 2/2] x86/tlb: skip redundant sync IPIs for native TLB flush Lance Yang
2026-04-24 15:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 15:49 ` Lance Yang
2026-04-24 13:30 ` [PATCH 7.2 v10 0/2] skip redundant sync IPIs when TLB flush sent them Andrew Morton
2026-04-24 13:37 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 14:15 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-24 14:20 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 14:31 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-24 14:40 ` Pasha Tatashin
2026-04-24 18:36 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 18:50 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-04-24 19:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 19:12 ` Zi Yan
2026-04-24 19:15 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-04-25 0:58 ` SeongJae Park
2026-04-24 19:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 19:35 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 20:03 ` Roman Gushchin
2026-04-24 20:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-05-29 11:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 19:08 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-24 19:09 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 19:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-24 19:24 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-24 19:18 ` Yosry Ahmed
2026-04-25 1:12 ` SeongJae Park
2026-04-25 5:17 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-25 11:36 ` Andrew Morton
2026-04-27 8:53 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-04-25 1:19 ` SeongJae Park
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