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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>,
	akpm@osdl.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>,
	linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2]
Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2006 12:27:54 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <25437.1141907274@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603082127110.32577@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> > A spin_lock does show up on the bus, doesn't it?
> 
> Nope.

Yes, sort of, under some circumstances. If the CPU doing the spin_lock()
doesn't own the cacheline with the lock, it'll have to resort to the bus to
grab the cacheline from the current owner (so another CPU would at least see a
read).

The effect of the spin_lock() might not be seen outside of the CPU before the
spin_unlock() occurs, but it *will* be committed to the CPU's cache, and given
cache coherency mechanisms, that's effectively the same as main memory.

So it's in effect visible on the bus, given that it will be transferred to
another CPU when requested; and as long as the other CPUs expect to see the
effects and the ordering imposed, it's immaterial whether the content of the
spinlock is actually ever committed to SDRAM or whether it remains perpetually
in one or another's CPU cache.

David

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-09 12:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-07 17:40 [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers David Howells
2006-03-07 10:34 ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 18:30   ` David Howells
2006-03-07 11:13     ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 19:24       ` David Howells
2006-03-07 18:46     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 19:23     ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 11:57       ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-07 20:01         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 21:14         ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-07 21:24           ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08  0:36             ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  0:35         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:40 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:54   ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 19:15       ` linux-os (Dick Johnson)
2006-03-07 19:33     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:09   ` David Howells
2006-03-08  0:32     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  8:25     ` Duncan Sands
2006-03-08 22:06       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:24         ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 22:31           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 22:42         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08  2:07 ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08  3:10 ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08  3:30   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 12:34     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:40       ` Bryan O'Sullivan
2006-03-08  7:41   ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-08 13:19   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 21:49     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:05       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 14:37 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #2] David Howells
2006-03-08 14:55   ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 15:41     ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-08 17:19       ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:10         ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 23:08           ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-09  1:01             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 16:02               ` Ivan Kokshaysky
2006-03-08 17:04     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 17:36       ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:35         ` David Howells
2006-03-08 18:45           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 18:59             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 11:38               ` Andi Kleen
2006-03-08 19:08             ` David Howells
2006-03-08 19:26               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 19:31                 ` David Howells
2006-03-09  0:35                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:54                     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  1:08                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  1:27                         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09  2:38                           ` Nick Piggin
2006-03-09  3:45                           ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:36                             ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  7:41                               ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  5:38                             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 12:27                               ` David Howells [this message]
2006-03-09 11:44                             ` Michael Buesch
2006-03-09  4:34                           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  4:43                             ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09 10:05                               ` Jes Sorensen
2006-03-09  0:55                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:57                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:26                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:40                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-09  0:37                   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  0:59                     ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-09  1:36                       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-09  4:18                         ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 19:54                 ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-08 20:02                 ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08 22:23       ` David S. Miller
2006-03-08 19:37   ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers [try #3] David Howells
2006-03-09 14:01     ` David Howells
2006-03-08 16:18 ` [PATCH] Document Linux's memory barriers Pavel Machek
2006-03-08 20:16   ` David Howells
2006-03-08 22:01     ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 11:41       ` David Howells
2006-03-09 12:28         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-09 13:02           ` David Howells
2006-03-09 16:32         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:39           ` David Howells
2006-03-09 17:54             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-09 17:56               ` Linus Torvalds

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