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From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy-TSDbQ3PG+2Y@public.gmane.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz-wEGCiKHe2LqWVfeAwA7xHQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds
	<torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org>,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	shaggy-V7BBcbaFuwjMbYB6QlFGEg@public.gmane.org,
	axboe-tSWWG44O7X1aa/9Udqfwiw@public.gmane.org,
	linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
	linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Clark Williams <williams-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo-X9Un+BFzKDI@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:58:58 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480870E2.20507@goop.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1208448768.7115.30.camel@twins>

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:25 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>     
>>> Would this be sufficient to address that comment's conern?
>>>       
>> It would be nicer to just add a "native_get_pte()" to x86, to match the 
>> already-existing "native_set_pte()".
>>     
>
> See, I _knew_ I was missing something obvious :-/
>
>   
>> And that "barrier()" should b "smp_rmb()". They may be the same code 
>> sequence, but from a conceptual angle, "smp_rmb()" makes a whole lot more 
>> sense.
>>
>> Finally, I don't think that comment is correct in the first place. It's 
>> not that simple. The thing is, even *with* the memory barrier in place, we 
>> may have:
>>
>> 	CPU#1			CPU#2
>> 	=====			=====
>>
>> 	fast_gup:
>> 	 - read low word
>>
>> 				native_set_pte_present:
>> 				 - set low word to 0
>> 				 - set high word to new value
>>
>> 	 - read high word
>>
>> 				- set low word to new value
>>
>> and so you read a low word that is associated with a *different* high 
>> word! Notice?
>>
>> So trivial memory ordering is _not_ enough.
>>
>> So I think the code literally needs to be something like this
>>
>> 	#ifdef CONFIG_X86_PAE
>>
>> 	static inline pte_t native_get_pte(pte_t *ptep)
>> 	{
>> 		pte_t pte;
>>
>> 	retry:
>> 		pte.pte_low = ptep->pte_low;
>> 		smp_rmb();
>> 		pte.pte_high = ptep->pte_high;
>> 		smp_rmb();
>> 		if (unlikely(pte.pte_low != ptep->pte_low)
>> 			goto retry;
>> 		return pte;
>> 	}
>>
>> 	#else
>>
>> 	#define native_get_pte(ptep) (*(ptep))
>>
>> 	#endif
>>
>> but I have admittedly not really thought it fully through.
>>     
>
> Looks sane here; Clark can you give this a spin?
>
> Jeremy, did I get the paravirt stuff right?
>   

You shouldn't need to do anything special for paravirt.  set_pte is 
necessary because it may have side-effects (like a hypervisor call), but 
get_pte should be side-effect free.  There's no other need for it; any 
special processing on the pte value itself is done in pte_val().

    J

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	shaggy@austin.ibm.com, axboe@kernel.dk, linux-mm@kvack.org,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>
Subject: Re: [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:58:58 +1000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <480870E2.20507@goop.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20080418095858.AKyBFtcCBh0gRD5-ATRI3e2Vwuuf5K9gNWu25tB_10Q@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1208448768.7115.30.camel@twins>

Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-04-17 at 08:25 -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
>   
>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2008, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>     
>>> Would this be sufficient to address that comment's conern?
>>>       
>> It would be nicer to just add a "native_get_pte()" to x86, to match the 
>> already-existing "native_set_pte()".
>>     
>
> See, I _knew_ I was missing something obvious :-/
>
>   
>> And that "barrier()" should b "smp_rmb()". They may be the same code 
>> sequence, but from a conceptual angle, "smp_rmb()" makes a whole lot more 
>> sense.
>>
>> Finally, I don't think that comment is correct in the first place. It's 
>> not that simple. The thing is, even *with* the memory barrier in place, we 
>> may have:
>>
>> 	CPU#1			CPU#2
>> 	=====			=====
>>
>> 	fast_gup:
>> 	 - read low word
>>
>> 				native_set_pte_present:
>> 				 - set low word to 0
>> 				 - set high word to new value
>>
>> 	 - read high word
>>
>> 				- set low word to new value
>>
>> and so you read a low word that is associated with a *different* high 
>> word! Notice?
>>
>> So trivial memory ordering is _not_ enough.
>>
>> So I think the code literally needs to be something like this
>>
>> 	#ifdef CONFIG_X86_PAE
>>
>> 	static inline pte_t native_get_pte(pte_t *ptep)
>> 	{
>> 		pte_t pte;
>>
>> 	retry:
>> 		pte.pte_low = ptep->pte_low;
>> 		smp_rmb();
>> 		pte.pte_high = ptep->pte_high;
>> 		smp_rmb();
>> 		if (unlikely(pte.pte_low != ptep->pte_low)
>> 			goto retry;
>> 		return pte;
>> 	}
>>
>> 	#else
>>
>> 	#define native_get_pte(ptep) (*(ptep))
>>
>> 	#endif
>>
>> but I have admittedly not really thought it fully through.
>>     
>
> Looks sane here; Clark can you give this a spin?
>
> Jeremy, did I get the paravirt stuff right?
>   

You shouldn't need to do anything special for paravirt.  set_pte is 
necessary because it may have side-effects (like a hypervisor call), but 
get_pte should be side-effect free.  There's no other need for it; any 
special processing on the pte value itself is done in pte_val().

    J

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-18  9:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 70+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-03-28  2:54 [patch 0/2]: lockless get_user_pages patchset Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  2:54 ` Nick Piggin
     [not found] ` <20080328025455.GA8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  2:55   ` [patch 1/2]: x86: implement pte_special Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  2:55     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]     ` <20080328025541.GB8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:23       ` David Miller
2008-03-28  3:23         ` David Miller
     [not found]         ` <20080327.202334.250213398.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:31           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:31             ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]             ` <20080328033149.GD8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  3:44               ` David Miller
2008-03-28  3:44                 ` David Miller
     [not found]                 ` <20080327.204431.201380891.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:04                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:04                     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                     ` <20080328040442.GE8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:09                       ` David Miller
2008-03-28  4:09                         ` David Miller
     [not found]                         ` <20080327.210910.101408473.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:15                           ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:15                             ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                             ` <20080328041519.GF8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:16                               ` David Miller
2008-03-28  4:16                                 ` David Miller
     [not found]                                 ` <20080327.211632.02770342.davem-fT/PcQaiUtIeIZ0/mPfg9Q@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28  4:19                                   ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:19                                     ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:17                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  4:17                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:00   ` [patch 2/2]: introduce fast_gup Nick Piggin
2008-03-28  3:00     ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]     ` <20080328030023.GC8083-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-03-28 10:01       ` Jens Axboe
2008-03-28 10:01         ` Jens Axboe
2008-04-17 15:03       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 15:03         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 15:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 15:25           ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]           ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170814090.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 16:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:12               ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:18               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:18                 ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                 ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170916470.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 16:35                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:35                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 16:40                     ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 16:40                       ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                       ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804170940270.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-17 17:23                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 17:23                           ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-17 18:28                           ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-17 18:28                             ` Linus Torvalds
     [not found]                             ` <alpine.LFD.1.00.0804171127310.2879-5CScLwifNT1QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  3:14                               ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  3:14                                 ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-18  6:31                           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-04-18  6:31                             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2008-04-18 14:40                             ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18 14:40                               ` Linus Torvalds
2008-04-18  9:58               ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge [this message]
2008-04-18  9:58                 ` Jeremy Fitzhardinge
2008-04-21 12:00             ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 12:00               ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]               ` <480C81C4.8030200-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-21 12:30                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 12:30                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 13:26                   ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-21 13:26                     ` Avi Kivity
     [not found]                     ` <480C9619.2050201-atKUWr5tajBWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-21 14:35                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-21 14:35                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  3:23                         ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  3:23                           ` Nick Piggin
     [not found]                           ` <20080422032319.GB21993-B4tOwbsTzaBolqkO4TVVkw@public.gmane.org>
2008-04-22  7:19                             ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22  7:19                               ` Avi Kivity
2008-04-22  8:07                             ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  8:07                               ` Ingo Molnar
2008-04-22  9:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  9:42         ` Peter Zijlstra
2008-04-22  9:46         ` Nick Piggin
2008-04-22  9:46           ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-14 18:33           ` Dave Kleikamp
2008-05-15  1:13             ` Nick Piggin

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