* Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
@ 2010-01-19 20:29 Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 19:18 ` David Daney
0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-19 20:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: LKML
Cc: kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
Peter Zijlstra and I were doing a look over of places that assign
current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE, by simply looking at places with:
$ git grep -A1 'state[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*TASK_[^R]'
and it seems there are quite a few places that looks like bugs. To be on
the safe side, everything outside of a run queue lock that sets the
current state to something other than TASK_RUNNING (or dead) should be
using set_current_state().
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
schedule();
is probably OK, but it would not hurt to be consistent. Here's a few
examples of likely bugs:
From drivers/staging/line6/midi.c:
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
while (line6->line6midi->num_active_send_urbs > 0)
From drivers/staging/line6/pod.c:
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
while (param->value == POD_system_invalid) {
Also drivers/macintosh/adb.c looks like there's a bug too.
I'm sure there's others but I stopped looking.
Anyway, this looks like a good janitorial work. Anything that assigns
state outside the rq locks to something other than TASK_RUNNING and that
is not before a schedule() (perhaps even those) should be converted to:
set_current_task(<state>).
This probably should be checked in checkpatch.pl too, if it is not
already.
-- Steve
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-19 20:29 Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-19 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 19:18 ` David Daney
1 sibling, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Julia Lawall @ 2010-01-19 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
> Anyway, this looks like a good janitorial work. Anything that assigns
> state outside the rq locks to something other than TASK_RUNNING and that
> is not before a schedule() (perhaps even those) should be converted to:
>
> set_current_task(<state>).
Does "not before a schedule" mean not before a schedule_timeout as well?
Also, I assume you mean set_current_state?
julia
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
@ 2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-19 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Julia Lawall @ 2010-01-19 20:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
> Anyway, this looks like a good janitorial work. Anything that assigns
> state outside the rq locks to something other than TASK_RUNNING and that
> is not before a schedule() (perhaps even those) should be converted to:
>
> set_current_task(<state>).
Does "not before a schedule" mean not before a schedule_timeout as well?
Also, I assume you mean set_current_state?
julia
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
@ 2010-01-19 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-19 21:08 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Lawall
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
On Tue, 2010-01-19 at 21:58 +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> > Anyway, this looks like a good janitorial work. Anything that assigns
> > state outside the rq locks to something other than TASK_RUNNING and that
> > is not before a schedule() (perhaps even those) should be converted to:
> >
> > set_current_task(<state>).
>
> Does "not before a schedule" mean not before a schedule_timeout as well?
Yep.
>
> Also, I assume you mean set_current_state?
Yep!
Thanks!
-- Steve
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-19 21:08 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
` (2 more replies)
0 siblings, 3 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Julia Lawall @ 2010-01-21 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
for (;;) {
req = state->completed;
if (req != NULL)
state->completed = req->next;
else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
ret = -EIO;
if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
break;
if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
ret = -EAGAIN;
break;
}
if (signal_pending(current)) {
ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
break;
}
spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
schedule();
spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
}
current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
assignment, but it is not right after.
thanks,
julia
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
@ 2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 10:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Julia Lawall @ 2010-01-21 10:47 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
for (;;) {
req = state->completed;
if (req != NULL)
state->completed = req->next;
else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
ret = -EIO;
if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
break;
if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
ret = -EAGAIN;
break;
}
if (signal_pending(current)) {
ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
break;
}
spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
schedule();
spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
}
current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
assignment, but it is not right after.
thanks,
julia
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
@ 2010-01-21 10:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker
2010-01-21 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Frederic Weisbecker @ 2010-01-21 10:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Lawall
Cc: Steven Rostedt, LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra,
Andrew Morton, linux-arch, Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:47:41AM +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
>
> add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
>
> for (;;) {
> req = state->completed;
> if (req != NULL)
> state->completed = req->next;
> else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
> ret = -EIO;
> if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
> break;
>
> if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
> ret = -EAGAIN;
> break;
> }
> if (signal_pending(current)) {
> ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
> break;
> }
> spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
> schedule();
> spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
> }
>
> current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
> remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
>
> There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
> assignment, but it is not right after.
Looks fine as spin_unlock includes a memory barrier, IIRC.
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 10:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker
@ 2010-01-21 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
2010-01-21 10:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Peter Zijlstra @ 2010-01-21 10:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Frederic Weisbecker
Cc: Julia Lawall, Steven Rostedt, LKML, kernel-janitors,
Andrew Morton, linux-arch, Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:53 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Looks fine as spin_unlock includes a memory barrier, IIRC.
It doesn't actually, see Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 10:56 ` Peter Zijlstra
@ 2010-01-21 10:59 ` Frederic Weisbecker
0 siblings, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Frederic Weisbecker @ 2010-01-21 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Peter Zijlstra
Cc: Julia Lawall, Steven Rostedt, LKML, kernel-janitors,
Andrew Morton, linux-arch, Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:56:53AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:53 +0100, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
>
> > Looks fine as spin_unlock includes a memory barrier, IIRC.
>
> It doesn't actually, see Documentation/memory-barriers.txt
>
Doh!
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 10:47 ` Julia Lawall
2010-01-21 10:53 ` Frederic Weisbecker
@ 2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 18:12 ` Julia Lawall
2 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-21 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Lawall
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, Paul Mackerras
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:47 +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
>
> add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
>
> for (;;) {
> req = state->completed;
> if (req != NULL)
> state->completed = req->next;
> else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
> ret = -EIO;
> if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
> break;
>
> if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
> ret = -EAGAIN;
> break;
> }
> if (signal_pending(current)) {
> ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
> break;
> }
> spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
> schedule();
> spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
> }
>
> current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
> remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
>
> There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
> assignment, but it is not right after.
I looked at this code in a bit more detail. Seems that it does not need
the set_current_state(), because all activities between the state of the
task and the variables being checked (state->n_pending, et al) are under
the state->lock.
But there should be a comment stating that above the assignment of
current->state. Something like:
/*
* No need for the set_current_state() memory barrier since
* all checks between state and wakeups are done under the
* state->lock.
*/
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
But I'd rather have the author of this code write that.
-- Steve
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 18:12 ` Julia Lawall
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-21 17:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Lawall
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, Paul Mackerras
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:47 +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
>
> add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
>
> for (;;) {
> req = state->completed;
> if (req != NULL)
> state->completed = req->next;
> else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
> ret = -EIO;
> if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
> break;
>
> if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
> ret = -EAGAIN;
> break;
> }
> if (signal_pending(current)) {
> ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
> break;
> }
> spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
> schedule();
> spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
> }
>
> current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
> remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
>
> There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
> assignment, but it is not right after.
I looked at this code in a bit more detail. Seems that it does not need
the set_current_state(), because all activities between the state of the
task and the variables being checked (state->n_pending, et al) are under
the state->lock.
But there should be a comment stating that above the assignment of
current->state. Something like:
/*
* No need for the set_current_state() memory barrier since
* all checks between state and wakeups are done under the
* state->lock.
*/
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
But I'd rather have the author of this code write that.
-- Steve
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 17:31 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 18:12 ` Julia Lawall
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Julia Lawall @ 2010-01-21 18:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Steven Rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Benjamin Herrenschmidt, Paul Mackerras
On Thu, 21 Jan 2010, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:47 +0100, Julia Lawall wrote:
> > What about something like the following (drivers/macintosh/adb.c):
> >
> > add_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
> > current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
> >
> > for (;;) {
> > req = state->completed;
> > if (req != NULL)
> > state->completed = req->next;
> > else if (atomic_read(&state->n_pending) == 0)
> > ret = -EIO;
> > if (req != NULL || ret != 0)
> > break;
> >
> > if (file->f_flags & O_NONBLOCK) {
> > ret = -EAGAIN;
> > break;
> > }
> > if (signal_pending(current)) {
> > ret = -ERESTARTSYS;
> > break;
> > }
> > spin_unlock_irqrestore(&state->lock, flags);
> > schedule();
> > spin_lock_irqsave(&state->lock, flags);
> > }
> >
> > current->state = TASK_RUNNING;
> > remove_wait_queue(&state->wait_queue, &wait);
> >
> > There is a call to schedule eventually after the first current->state
> > assignment, but it is not right after.
>
> I looked at this code in a bit more detail. Seems that it does not need
> the set_current_state(), because all activities between the state of the
> task and the variables being checked (state->n_pending, et al) are under
> the state->lock.
>
> But there should be a comment stating that above the assignment of
> current->state. Something like:
>
> /*
> * No need for the set_current_state() memory barrier since
> * all checks between state and wakeups are done under the
> * state->lock.
> */
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
>
>
> But I'd rather have the author of this code write that.
As far as I can tell, state is something that is local to this driver. So
is the point that a lock is taken, or that interrupts are turned off?
julia
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-19 20:29 Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE Steven Rostedt
2010-01-19 20:58 ` Julia Lawall
@ 2010-01-21 19:18 ` David Daney
2010-01-21 19:34 ` Steven Rostedt
1 sibling, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: David Daney @ 2010-01-21 19:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
Steven Rostedt wrote:
> Peter Zijlstra and I were doing a look over of places that assign
> current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE, by simply looking at places with:
>
> $ git grep -A1 'state[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*TASK_[^R]'
>
> and it seems there are quite a few places that looks like bugs. To be on
> the safe side, everything outside of a run queue lock that sets the
> current state to something other than TASK_RUNNING (or dead) should be
> using set_current_state().
>
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
> schedule();
>
> is probably OK, but it would not hurt to be consistent. Here's a few
> examples of likely bugs:
>
[...]
This may be a bit off topic, but exactly which type of barrier should
set_current_state() be implying?
On MIPS, set_mb() (which is used by set_current_state()) has a full mb().
Some MIPS based processors have a much lighter weight wmb(). Could
wmb() be used in place of mb() here?
If not, an explanation of the required memory ordering semantics here
would be appreciated.
I know the documentation says:
set_current_state() includes a barrier so that the write of
current->state is correctly serialised wrt the caller's subsequent
test of whether to actually sleep:
set_current_state(TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE);
if (do_i_need_to_sleep())
schedule();
Since the current CPU sees the memory accesses in order, what can be
happening on other CPUs that would require a full mb()?
Thanks,
David Daney
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 19:18 ` David Daney
@ 2010-01-21 19:34 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 19:57 ` David Daney
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-21 19:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Daney
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:18 -0800, David Daney wrote:
> Steven Rostedt wrote:
> > Peter Zijlstra and I were doing a look over of places that assign
> > current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE, by simply looking at places with:
> >
> > $ git grep -A1 'state[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*TASK_[^R]'
> >
> > and it seems there are quite a few places that looks like bugs. To be on
> > the safe side, everything outside of a run queue lock that sets the
> > current state to something other than TASK_RUNNING (or dead) should be
> > using set_current_state().
> >
> > current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
> > schedule();
> >
> > is probably OK, but it would not hurt to be consistent. Here's a few
> > examples of likely bugs:
> >
> [...]
>
> This may be a bit off topic, but exactly which type of barrier should
> set_current_state() be implying?
>
> On MIPS, set_mb() (which is used by set_current_state()) has a full mb().
>
> Some MIPS based processors have a much lighter weight wmb(). Could
> wmb() be used in place of mb() here?
Nope, wmb() is not enough. Below is an explanation.
>
> If not, an explanation of the required memory ordering semantics here
> would be appreciated.
>
> I know the documentation says:
>
> set_current_state() includes a barrier so that the write of
> current->state is correctly serialised wrt the caller's subsequent
> test of whether to actually sleep:
>
> set_current_state(TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE);
> if (do_i_need_to_sleep())
> schedule();
>
>
> Since the current CPU sees the memory accesses in order, what can be
> happening on other CPUs that would require a full mb()?
Lets look at a hypothetical situation with:
add_wait_queue();
current->state = TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE;
smp_wmb();
if (!x)
schedule();
Then somewhere we probably have:
x = 1;
smp_wmb();
wake_up(queue);
CPU 0 CPU 1
------------ -----------
add_wait_queue();
(cpu pipeline sees a load
of x ahead, and preloads it)
x = 1;
smp_wmb();
wake_up(queue);
(task on CPU 0 is still at
TASK_RUNNING);
current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
smp_wmb(); <<-- does not prevent early loading of x
if (!x) <<-- returns true
schedule();
Now the task on CPU 0 missed the wake up.
Note, places that call schedule() are not fast paths, and probably not
called often. Adding the overhead of smp_mb() to ensure correctness is a
small price to pay compared to search for why you have a stuck task that
was never woken up.
Read Documentation/memory-barriers.txt, it will be worth the time you
spend doing so.
-- Steve
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 19:34 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 19:57 ` David Daney
2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
0 siblings, 1 reply; 18+ messages in thread
From: David Daney @ 2010-01-21 19:57 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:18 -0800, David Daney wrote:
>> Steven Rostedt wrote:
>>> Peter Zijlstra and I were doing a look over of places that assign
>>> current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE, by simply looking at places with:
>>>
>>> $ git grep -A1 'state[[:space:]]*=[[:space:]]*TASK_[^R]'
>>>
>>> and it seems there are quite a few places that looks like bugs. To be on
>>> the safe side, everything outside of a run queue lock that sets the
>>> current state to something other than TASK_RUNNING (or dead) should be
>>> using set_current_state().
>>>
>>> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
>>> schedule();
>>>
>>> is probably OK, but it would not hurt to be consistent. Here's a few
>>> examples of likely bugs:
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>> This may be a bit off topic, but exactly which type of barrier should
>> set_current_state() be implying?
>>
>> On MIPS, set_mb() (which is used by set_current_state()) has a full mb().
>>
>> Some MIPS based processors have a much lighter weight wmb(). Could
>> wmb() be used in place of mb() here?
>
> Nope, wmb() is not enough. Below is an explanation.
>
>> If not, an explanation of the required memory ordering semantics here
>> would be appreciated.
>>
>> I know the documentation says:
>>
>> set_current_state() includes a barrier so that the write of
>> current->state is correctly serialised wrt the caller's subsequent
>> test of whether to actually sleep:
>>
>> set_current_state(TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE);
>> if (do_i_need_to_sleep())
>> schedule();
>>
>>
>> Since the current CPU sees the memory accesses in order, what can be
>> happening on other CPUs that would require a full mb()?
>
> Lets look at a hypothetical situation with:
>
> add_wait_queue();
> current->state = TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE;
> smp_wmb();
> if (!x)
> schedule();
>
>
>
> Then somewhere we probably have:
>
> x = 1;
> smp_wmb();
> wake_up(queue);
>
>
>
> CPU 0 CPU 1
> ------------ -----------
> add_wait_queue();
> (cpu pipeline sees a load
> of x ahead, and preloads it)
This is what I thought.
My cpu (Cavium Octeon) does not have out of order reads, so my wmb() is
in fact a full mb() from the point of view of the current CPU. So I
think I could weaken my bariers in set_current_state() and still get
correct operation. However as you say...
> x = 1;
> smp_wmb();
> wake_up(queue);
> (task on CPU 0 is still at
> TASK_RUNNING);
>
> current->state = TASK_INTERRUPTIBLE;
> smp_wmb(); <<-- does not prevent early loading of x
> if (!x) <<-- returns true
> schedule();
>
> Now the task on CPU 0 missed the wake up.
>
> Note, places that call schedule() are not fast paths, and probably not
> called often. Adding the overhead of smp_mb() to ensure correctness is a
> small price to pay compared to search for why you have a stuck task that
> was never woken up.
... It may not be worth the trouble.
>
> Read Documentation/memory-barriers.txt, it will be worth the time you
> spend doing so.
Indeed I have read it. My questions arise because the semantics of my
barrier primitives do not map exactly to the semantics prescribed for
mb() and wmb().
A kernel programmer has only the types of barriers described in
memory-barriers.txt available. Since there is no
mb_on_current_cpu_but_only_order_writes_as_seen_by_other_cpus(), we use
a full mb() instead.
Thanks for the explanation Steve,
David Daney
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* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 19:57 ` David Daney
@ 2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 20:21 ` David Daney
0 siblings, 2 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-21 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Daney
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:57 -0800, David Daney wrote:
> >> Since the current CPU sees the memory accesses in order, what can be
> >> happening on other CPUs that would require a full mb()?
> >
> > Lets look at a hypothetical situation with:
> >
> > add_wait_queue();
> > current->state = TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE;
> > smp_wmb();
> > if (!x)
> > schedule();
> >
> >
> >
> > Then somewhere we probably have:
> >
> > x = 1;
> > smp_wmb();
> > wake_up(queue);
> >
> >
> >
> > CPU 0 CPU 1
> > ------------ -----------
> > add_wait_queue();
> > (cpu pipeline sees a load
> > of x ahead, and preloads it)
>
>
> This is what I thought.
>
> My cpu (Cavium Octeon) does not have out of order reads, so my wmb() is
Can you have reads that are out of order wrt writes? Because the above
does not have out of order reads. It just had a read that came before a
write. The above code could look like:
(hypothetical assembly language)
ld r2, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE
st r2, (current->state)
wmb
ld r1, (x)
cmp r1, 0
Is it possible for the CPU to do the load of r1 before storing r2? If
so, then the bug still exists.
-- Steve
> in fact a full mb() from the point of view of the current CPU. So I
> think I could weaken my bariers in set_current_state() and still get
> correct operation. However as you say...
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 20:21 ` David Daney
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: Steven Rostedt @ 2010-01-21 20:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: David Daney
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
On Thu, 2010-01-21 at 11:57 -0800, David Daney wrote:
> >> Since the current CPU sees the memory accesses in order, what can be
> >> happening on other CPUs that would require a full mb()?
> >
> > Lets look at a hypothetical situation with:
> >
> > add_wait_queue();
> > current->state = TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE;
> > smp_wmb();
> > if (!x)
> > schedule();
> >
> >
> >
> > Then somewhere we probably have:
> >
> > x = 1;
> > smp_wmb();
> > wake_up(queue);
> >
> >
> >
> > CPU 0 CPU 1
> > ------------ -----------
> > add_wait_queue();
> > (cpu pipeline sees a load
> > of x ahead, and preloads it)
>
>
> This is what I thought.
>
> My cpu (Cavium Octeon) does not have out of order reads, so my wmb() is
Can you have reads that are out of order wrt writes? Because the above
does not have out of order reads. It just had a read that came before a
write. The above code could look like:
(hypothetical assembly language)
ld r2, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE
st r2, (current->state)
wmb
ld r1, (x)
cmp r1, 0
Is it possible for the CPU to do the load of r1 before storing r2? If
so, then the bug still exists.
-- Steve
> in fact a full mb() from the point of view of the current CPU. So I
> think I could weaken my bariers in set_current_state() and still get
> correct operation. However as you say...
>
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 18+ messages in thread
* Re: Lots of bugs with current->state = TASK_*INTERRUPTIBLE
2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
2010-01-21 20:18 ` Steven Rostedt
@ 2010-01-21 20:21 ` David Daney
1 sibling, 0 replies; 18+ messages in thread
From: David Daney @ 2010-01-21 20:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: rostedt
Cc: LKML, kernel-janitors, Peter Zijlstra, Andrew Morton, linux-arch,
Greg KH, Andy Whitcroft, Ralf Baechle, linux-mips
>>
>> This is what I thought.
>>
>> My cpu (Cavium Octeon) does not have out of order reads, so my wmb() is
>
> Can you have reads that are out of order wrt writes? Because the above
> does not have out of order reads. It just had a read that came before a
> write. The above code could look like:
>
> (hypothetical assembly language)
>
> ld r2, TASK_UNINTERRUPTIBLE
> st r2, (current->state)
> wmb
> ld r1, (x)
> cmp r1, 0
>
> Is it possible for the CPU to do the load of r1 before storing r2? If
> so, then the bug still exists.
>
Indeed it is. Lockless operations make my head hurt.
Thanks for clarifying.
David Daney
> -- Steve
>
>
>> in fact a full mb() from the point of view of the current CPU. So I
>> think I could weaken my bariers in set_current_state() and still get
>> correct operation. However as you say...
>>
>
>
>
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