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From: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	akpm@osdl.org, mingo@redhat.com, jblunck@suse.de,
	bcrl@linux.intel.com, matthew@wil.cx,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linuxppc64-dev@ozlabs.org
Subject: Re: Memory barriers and spin_unlock safety
Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2006 20:15:35 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5001.1141416935@warthog.cambridge.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0603030823200.22647@g5.osdl.org>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org> wrote:

> The rules are, afaik, that reads can pass buffered writes, BUT WRITES 
> CANNOT PASS READS (aka "writes to memory are always carried out in program 
> order").

So in the example I gave, a read after the spin_unlock() may actually get
executed before the store in the spin_unlock(), but a read before the unlock
will not get executed after.

> No. Issuing a read barrier on one CPU will do absolutely _nothing_ on the 
> other CPU.

Well, I think you mean will guarantee absolutely _nothing_ on the other CPU for
the Linux kernel.  According to the IBM powerpc book I have, it does actually
do something on the other CPUs, though it doesn't say exactly what.

Anyway, thanks.

I'll write up some documentation on barriers for inclusion in the kernel.

David

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-03 20:16 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-03-03 16:03 Memory barriers and spin_unlock safety David Howells
2006-03-03 16:45 ` David Howells
2006-03-03 17:03   ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 20:17     ` David Howells
2006-03-03 21:34       ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 21:51         ` Benjamin LaHaise
2006-03-03 22:21           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 22:36             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-07 17:36       ` David Howells
2006-03-07 17:40         ` Matthew Wilcox
2006-03-07 17:56           ` Jesse Barnes
2006-03-07 18:18         ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 18:28           ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-07 18:55             ` Alan Cox
2006-03-07 20:21               ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 20:02   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-03-03 16:55 ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 20:15   ` David Howells [this message]
2006-03-03 21:31     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-03 21:06   ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-03-03 21:18     ` Hollis Blanchard
2006-03-03 21:52       ` David S. Miller
2006-03-03 22:04     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-04 10:58     ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-04 22:49       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2006-03-04 10:58   ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-04 17:28     ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08  3:20       ` Paul Mackerras
2006-03-08  3:54         ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-08 13:12           ` Alan Cox
2006-03-08 15:30             ` Linus Torvalds
2006-03-05  2:04     ` Michael Buesch

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