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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	Norton, Sc
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] qrwlock: A queue read/write lock implementation
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:40:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E7F03A.4090305@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130718074204.GA22623@gmail.com>

On 07/18/2013 03:42 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Waiman Long<waiman.long@hp.com>  wrote:
>
>>>> + *    stealing the lock if come at the right moment, the granting of the
>>>> + *    lock is mostly in FIFO order.
>>>> + * 2. It is faster in high contention situation.
>>> Again, why is it faster?
>> The current rwlock implementation suffers from a thundering herd
>> problem. When many readers are waiting for the lock hold by a writer,
>> they will all jump in more or less at the same time when the writer
>> releases the lock. That is not the case with qrwlock. It has been shown
>> in many cases that avoiding this thundering herd problem can lead to
>> better performance.
> Btw., it's possible to further optimize this "writer releases the lock to
> multiple readers spinning" thundering herd scenario in the classic
> read_lock() case, without changing the queueing model.
>
> Right now read_lock() fast path is a single atomic instruction. When a
> writer releases the lock then it makes it available to all readers and
> each reader will execute a LOCK DEC instruction which will succeed.
>
> This is the relevant code in arch/x86/lib/rwlock.S [edited for
> readability]:
>
> __read_lock_failed():
>
> 0:      LOCK_PREFIX
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(inc) (%__lock_ptr)
>
> 1:      rep; nop
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(cmp) $1, (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      1b
>
>          LOCK_PREFIX READ_LOCK_SIZE(dec) (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      0b
>
>          ret
>
> This is where we could optimize: instead of signalling to each reader that
> it's fine to decrease the count and letting dozens of readers do that on
> the same cache-line, which ping-pongs around the numa cross-connect
> touching every other CPU as they execute the LOCK DEC instruction, we
> could let the _writer_ modify the count on unlock in essence, to the exact
> value that readers expect.
>
> Since read_lock() can never abort this should be relatively
> straightforward: the INC above could be left out, and the writer side
> needs to detect that there are no other writers waiting and can set the
> count to 'reader locked' value - which the readers will detect without
> modifying the cache line:
>
> __read_lock_failed():
>
> 0:      rep; nop
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(cmp) $1, (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      0b
>
>          ret
>
> (Unless I'm missing something that is.)
>
> That way the current write_unlock() followed by a 'thundering herd' of
> __read_lock_failed() atomic accesses is transformed into an efficient
> read-only broadcast of information with only a single update to the
> cacheline: the writer-updated cacheline propagates in parallel to every
> CPU and is cached there.
>
> On typical hardware this will be broadcast to all CPUs as part of regular
> MESI invalidation bus traffic.
>
> reader unlock will still have to modify the cacheline, so rwlocks will
> still have a fundamental scalability limit even in the read-only usecase.

I think that will work. The only drawback that I can see is the fairness 
argument. The current read/write lock implementation is unfair to the 
writer. That change will make it even more unfair to the writer and 
there is no easy way to detect a waiting writer unless we change the 
structure to add such a field. As a result, a steady stream of readers 
will have a higher chance of blocking out a writer indefinitely.

Regards,
Longman

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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Matt Fleming <matt.fleming@intel.com>,
	Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>,
	Akinobu Mita <akinobu.mita@gmail.com>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Chandramouleeswaran, Aswin" <aswin@hp.com>,
	"Norton, Scott J" <scott.norton@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] qrwlock: A queue read/write lock implementation
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 09:40:10 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <51E7F03A.4090305@hp.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20130718134010.DT0qD63fAuX4GC5O5Z4nfCtwFW0CNnr3UsRULHpSWE8@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130718074204.GA22623@gmail.com>

On 07/18/2013 03:42 AM, Ingo Molnar wrote:
> * Waiman Long<waiman.long@hp.com>  wrote:
>
>>>> + *    stealing the lock if come at the right moment, the granting of the
>>>> + *    lock is mostly in FIFO order.
>>>> + * 2. It is faster in high contention situation.
>>> Again, why is it faster?
>> The current rwlock implementation suffers from a thundering herd
>> problem. When many readers are waiting for the lock hold by a writer,
>> they will all jump in more or less at the same time when the writer
>> releases the lock. That is not the case with qrwlock. It has been shown
>> in many cases that avoiding this thundering herd problem can lead to
>> better performance.
> Btw., it's possible to further optimize this "writer releases the lock to
> multiple readers spinning" thundering herd scenario in the classic
> read_lock() case, without changing the queueing model.
>
> Right now read_lock() fast path is a single atomic instruction. When a
> writer releases the lock then it makes it available to all readers and
> each reader will execute a LOCK DEC instruction which will succeed.
>
> This is the relevant code in arch/x86/lib/rwlock.S [edited for
> readability]:
>
> __read_lock_failed():
>
> 0:      LOCK_PREFIX
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(inc) (%__lock_ptr)
>
> 1:      rep; nop
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(cmp) $1, (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      1b
>
>          LOCK_PREFIX READ_LOCK_SIZE(dec) (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      0b
>
>          ret
>
> This is where we could optimize: instead of signalling to each reader that
> it's fine to decrease the count and letting dozens of readers do that on
> the same cache-line, which ping-pongs around the numa cross-connect
> touching every other CPU as they execute the LOCK DEC instruction, we
> could let the _writer_ modify the count on unlock in essence, to the exact
> value that readers expect.
>
> Since read_lock() can never abort this should be relatively
> straightforward: the INC above could be left out, and the writer side
> needs to detect that there are no other writers waiting and can set the
> count to 'reader locked' value - which the readers will detect without
> modifying the cache line:
>
> __read_lock_failed():
>
> 0:      rep; nop
>          READ_LOCK_SIZE(cmp) $1, (%__lock_ptr)
>          js      0b
>
>          ret
>
> (Unless I'm missing something that is.)
>
> That way the current write_unlock() followed by a 'thundering herd' of
> __read_lock_failed() atomic accesses is transformed into an efficient
> read-only broadcast of information with only a single update to the
> cacheline: the writer-updated cacheline propagates in parallel to every
> CPU and is cached there.
>
> On typical hardware this will be broadcast to all CPUs as part of regular
> MESI invalidation bus traffic.
>
> reader unlock will still have to modify the cacheline, so rwlocks will
> still have a fundamental scalability limit even in the read-only usecase.

I think that will work. The only drawback that I can see is the fairness 
argument. The current read/write lock implementation is unfair to the 
writer. That change will make it even more unfair to the writer and 
there is no easy way to detect a waiting writer unless we change the 
structure to add such a field. As a result, a steady stream of readers 
will have a higher chance of blocking out a writer indefinitely.

Regards,
Longman

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-07-18 13:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 32+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-07-13  1:34 [PATCH RFC 0/2] qrwlock: Introducing a queue read/write lock implementation Waiman Long
2013-07-13  1:34 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] qrwlock: A " Waiman Long
2013-07-15 14:39   ` Steven Rostedt
2013-07-15 20:44     ` Waiman Long
2013-07-15 22:31   ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-16  1:19     ` Waiman Long
2013-07-18  7:42       ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18  7:42         ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-18 13:40         ` Waiman Long [this message]
2013-07-18 13:40           ` Waiman Long
2013-07-19  8:40           ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19  8:40             ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-19 15:30             ` Waiman Long
2013-07-19 15:30               ` Waiman Long
2013-07-22 10:34               ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-22 10:34                 ` Ingo Molnar
2013-07-24  0:03                 ` Waiman Long
2013-07-24  0:03                   ` Waiman Long
2013-07-18 10:22       ` Thomas Gleixner
2013-07-18 14:19         ` Waiman Long
2013-07-21  5:42           ` Raghavendra K T
2013-07-21  5:42             ` Raghavendra K T
2013-07-23 23:54             ` Waiman Long
2013-07-23 23:54               ` Waiman Long
2013-07-13  1:34 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] x86 qrwlock: Enable x86 to use queue read/write lock Waiman Long
2013-07-13  1:34   ` Waiman Long
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2013-07-18 12:55 [PATCH RFC 1/2] qrwlock: A queue read/write lock implementation George Spelvin
2013-07-18 13:43 ` Waiman Long
2013-07-18 18:46   ` George Spelvin
2013-07-19 15:43     ` Waiman Long
2013-07-19 21:11       ` George Spelvin
2013-07-19 21:35         ` Waiman Long

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