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From: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
To: David Vrabel <david.vrabel@citrix.com>
Cc: Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>,
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	Alok Kataria <akataria@vmware.com>,
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	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
	xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Alexander Fyodorov <halcy@yandex.ru>,
	Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Daniel J Blueman <daniel@numascale.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Chris Wright <chrisw@sous-sol.org>,
	George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v5 4/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Allow unfair spinlock in a real PV environment
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2014 14:40:13 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <530F949D.6050609@hp.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <530F2F7B.40500@citrix.com>

On 02/27/2014 07:28 AM, David Vrabel wrote:
> On 26/02/14 15:14, Waiman Long wrote:
>> Locking is always an issue in a virtualized environment as the virtual
>> CPU that is waiting on a lock may get scheduled out and hence block
>> any progress in lock acquisition even when the lock has been freed.
>>
>> One solution to this problem is to allow unfair lock in a
>> para-virtualized environment. In this case, a new lock acquirer can
>> come and steal the lock if the next-in-line CPU to get the lock is
>> scheduled out. Unfair lock in a native environment is generally not a
>> good idea as there is a possibility of lock starvation for a heavily
>> contended lock.
> I'm not sure I'm keen on losing the fairness in PV environment.  I'm
> concerned that on an over-committed host, the lock starvation problem
> will be particularly bad.
>
> But I'll have to revist this once a non-broken PV qspinlock
> implementation exists (or someone explains how the proposed one works).
>
> David

On second thought, the unfair qspinlock may not be as bad as other 
unfair locks. Basically, a task gets one chance to steal the lock. If it 
can't, it will go to the back of the queue and wait for its turn. So 
unless a single CPU can monopolize a lock by acquiring it again 
immediately after release, all the tasks queuing up will eventually has 
its chance of getting the lock.

-Longman

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-27 19:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-26 15:14 [PATCH v5 0/8] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with PV support Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 1/8] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock implementation Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:24   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:25     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 2/8] qspinlock, x86: Enable x86-64 to use queue spinlock Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH v5 3/8] qspinlock, x86: Add x86 specific optimization for 2 contending tasks Waiman Long
2014-02-26 16:20   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-27 20:42     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28  9:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28 16:25         ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-28 17:37           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-28 16:38         ` Waiman Long
2014-02-28 17:56           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-03 17:43           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 15:27             ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 16:58             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 18:09               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-04 17:48             ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 22:40               ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-03-05 20:59                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 4/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Allow unfair spinlock in a real PV environment Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:07   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 17:06     ` Waiman Long
2014-03-03 10:55       ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-04 15:15         ` Waiman Long
2014-03-04 15:23           ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-04 15:39           ` David Vrabel
2014-03-04 17:50           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 12:28   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 19:40     ` Waiman Long [this message]
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 5/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable unfair queue spinlock in a KVM guest Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:08   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 17:08     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27  9:41   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 19:05     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 10:40   ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 19:12     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 6/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Rename paravirt_ticketlocks_enabled Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 7/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Add qspinlock para-virtualization support Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:54   ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-27 12:11   ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 13:11     ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 14:18       ` David Vrabel
2014-02-27 14:45         ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 15:22           ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-27 15:50             ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-03 11:06               ` [Xen-devel] " David Vrabel
2014-02-27 20:50             ` Waiman Long
2014-02-27 19:42           ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 15:14 ` [PATCH RFC v5 8/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Enable KVM to use qspinlock's PV support Waiman Long
2014-02-27  9:31   ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-27 18:36     ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 17:00 ` [PATCH v5 0/8] qspinlock: a 4-byte queue spinlock with " Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2014-02-28 16:56   ` Waiman Long
2014-02-26 22:26 ` Paul E. McKenney
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-02-27  4:32 Waiman Long
2014-02-27  4:32 ` [PATCH RFC v5 4/8] pvqspinlock, x86: Allow unfair spinlock in a real PV environment Waiman Long

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