From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Al Viro <viro-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: David Drysdale <drysdale-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
"Eric W. Biederman"
<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
Meredydd Luff <meredydd-zPN50pYk8eUaUu29zAJCuw@public.gmane.org>,
"linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org"
<linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Andrew Morton
<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>,
Arnd Bergmann <arnd-r2nGTMty4D4@public.gmane.org>,
X86 ML <x86-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>,
linux-arch <linux-arch-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 RESEND 0/3] syscalls,x86: Add execveat() system call
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:53:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <544424E6.1060002@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141019202034.GH7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
On 10/19/2014 01:20 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 02:45:03PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
>> For example, I want to be able to reliably do something like nsenter
>> --namespace-flags-here toybox sh. Toybox's shell is unusual in that
>> it is more or less fully functional, so this should Just Work (tm),
>> except that the toybox binary might not exist in the namespace being
>> entered. If execveat were available, I could rig nsenter or a similar
>> tool to open it with O_CLOEXEC, enter the namespace, and then call
>> execveat.
>
> The question I hadn't seen really answered through all of that was how to
> deal with #!... "Just use d_path()" isn't particulary appealing - if that
> file has a pathname reachable for you, you could bloody well use _that_
> from the very beginning.
>
> Frankly, I wonder if it would make sense to provide something like
> dupfs. We can't mount it by default on /dev/fd (more's the pity), but
> it might be a good thing to have.
>
> What it is, for those who are not familiar with Plan 9: a filesystem with
> one directory and a bunch of files in it. Directory contents depends on
> who's looking; for each opened descriptor in your descriptor table, you'll
> see two files there. One series is 0, 1, ... - opening one of those gives
> dup(). IOW, it's *not* giving you a new struct file; it gives you a new
> reference to existing one, complete with sharing IO position, etc. Another
> is 0ctl, 1ctl, ... - those are read-only and reading from them gives pretty
> much a combination of our /proc/self/fdinfo/n with readlink of /proc/self/fd/n.
>
> It's actually a better match for what one would expect at /dev/fd than what
> we do. Example:
>
Yes, it is really unfortunate that /proc/self/fd/* had the wrong
semantics for the start, due to then-existing implementation issues.
-hpa
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>, Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
Meredydd Luff <meredydd@senatehouse.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>, linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv4 RESEND 0/3] syscalls,x86: Add execveat() system call
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:53:58 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <544424E6.1060002@zytor.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20141019205358.g5hQvVBLCFIzt5t7rtrWHYzlx-l-uAzL8qEGdCAS9mk@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141019202034.GH7996@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>
On 10/19/2014 01:20 PM, Al Viro wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 02:45:03PM -0700, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
>
>> For example, I want to be able to reliably do something like nsenter
>> --namespace-flags-here toybox sh. Toybox's shell is unusual in that
>> it is more or less fully functional, so this should Just Work (tm),
>> except that the toybox binary might not exist in the namespace being
>> entered. If execveat were available, I could rig nsenter or a similar
>> tool to open it with O_CLOEXEC, enter the namespace, and then call
>> execveat.
>
> The question I hadn't seen really answered through all of that was how to
> deal with #!... "Just use d_path()" isn't particulary appealing - if that
> file has a pathname reachable for you, you could bloody well use _that_
> from the very beginning.
>
> Frankly, I wonder if it would make sense to provide something like
> dupfs. We can't mount it by default on /dev/fd (more's the pity), but
> it might be a good thing to have.
>
> What it is, for those who are not familiar with Plan 9: a filesystem with
> one directory and a bunch of files in it. Directory contents depends on
> who's looking; for each opened descriptor in your descriptor table, you'll
> see two files there. One series is 0, 1, ... - opening one of those gives
> dup(). IOW, it's *not* giving you a new struct file; it gives you a new
> reference to existing one, complete with sharing IO position, etc. Another
> is 0ctl, 1ctl, ... - those are read-only and reading from them gives pretty
> much a combination of our /proc/self/fdinfo/n with readlink of /proc/self/fd/n.
>
> It's actually a better match for what one would expect at /dev/fd than what
> we do. Example:
>
Yes, it is really unfortunate that /proc/self/fd/* had the wrong
semantics for the start, due to then-existing implementation issues.
-hpa
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-10-19 20:53 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-06-05 13:40 [PATCHv4 RESEND 0/3] syscalls,x86: Add execveat() system call David Drysdale
2014-06-05 13:40 ` David Drysdale
2014-06-05 13:40 ` [PATCHv4 RESEND 1/3] syscalls,x86: implement " David Drysdale
[not found] ` <1401975635-6162-2-git-send-email-drysdale-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-06-23 18:39 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-23 18:39 ` Kees Cook
2014-06-05 13:40 ` [PATCHv4 RESEND 2/3] syscalls,x86: add selftest for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2014-06-05 13:40 ` David Drysdale
2014-06-05 13:40 ` [PATCHv4 RESEND man-pages 3/3] execveat.2: initial man page " David Drysdale
2014-06-05 13:40 ` David Drysdale
2014-06-05 17:14 ` [PATCHv4 RESEND 0/3] syscalls,x86: Add execveat() system call Kees Cook
[not found] ` <1401975635-6162-1-git-send-email-drysdale-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-17 21:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-17 21:45 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 0:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-19 0:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-19 19:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <87zjcszz8y.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-20 13:48 ` David Drysdale
2014-10-20 13:48 ` David Drysdale
[not found] ` <CAHse=S-Xyk7CFn=tAGzo+tuUFt+04aBw+mGQmi=kWAaBJGALBw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-20 22:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-20 22:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrXBjLZTWVJfcsE4NA-JP9zSSgn=6ND0=cZ9BTy=CoN7pA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-21 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-21 4:29 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87ioje2ggq.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-22 11:08 ` David Drysdale
2014-10-22 11:08 ` David Drysdale
2014-10-22 17:40 ` Eric W. Biederman
2014-10-27 18:01 ` David Drysdale
2014-10-27 18:01 ` David Drysdale
2014-10-19 20:20 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20141019202034.GH7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-19 20:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 20:37 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrVZUW2iPtfFJtGnWd2RsYLwjGRGYuujrVqcOsO5oBB8Cg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-19 21:29 ` Al Viro
2014-10-19 21:29 ` Al Viro
[not found] ` <20141019212921.GI7996-3bDd1+5oDREiFSDQTTA3OLVCufUGDwFn@public.gmane.org>
2014-10-19 22:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 22:16 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 22:42 ` Al Viro
2014-10-19 23:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-19 23:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-10-25 21:22 ` Pavel Machek
2014-10-19 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2014-10-19 20:53 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-10-22 11:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-10-22 11:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-10-22 11:54 ` Christoph Hellwig
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