From: Christian Borntraeger <borntraeger@de.ibm.com>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
Alexei Starovoitov <alexei.starovoitov@gmail.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
linux-mips <linux-mips@linux-mips.org>,
linux-x86_64@vger.kernel.org,
linux-s390 <linux-s390@vger.kernel.org>,
Paolo Bonzini <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
Paul McKenney <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH/RFC 7/7] kernel: Force ACCESS_ONCE to work only on scalar types
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:16:54 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5473A046.2020901@de.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFz2bCbhQP3d1bh48AcWTh9bkoMO07JjmwbApGCanJFEMQ@mail.gmail.com>
Am 24.11.2014 um 22:02 schrieb Linus Torvalds:
> On Mon, Nov 24, 2014 at 12:53 PM, Christian Borntraeger
> <borntraeger@de.ibm.com> wrote:
>>
>> That looks like a lot of changes all over ACCESS_ONCE -> ASSIGN_ONCE:
>> git grep "ACCESS_ONCE.*=.*"
>> gives me 200 placea not in Documentation.
>
> Yeah, that's a bit annoying.
>
> How about a combination of the two:
>
> - accept the fact that right now ACCESS_ONCE() is fairly widespread
> (even for writing)
>
> - but also admit that we'd be better off with a nicer interface
>
> and make the solution be:
>
> - make ACCESS_ONCE() only work on scalars, and deprecate it
>
> - add new "read_once()" and "write_once()" interfaces that *do* work
> on (appropriately sized) structures and unions, and start migrating
> things over. In particular, start with the ones that can no longer use
> ACCESS_ONCE() because they aren't scalar..
>
> That second point would make the conversion patches actually easier to
> read. Instead of this:
>
> static inline int arch_spin_is_locked(arch_spinlock_t *lock)
> {
> - struct __raw_tickets tmp = ACCESS_ONCE(lock->tickets);
> + arch_spinlock_t tmp = {};
>
> - return tmp.tail != tmp.head;
> + tmp.head_tail =ACCESS_ONCE(lock->head_tail);
> + return tmp.tickets.tail != tmp.tickets.head;
> }
>
> which isn't *complex*, but is also not an obvious conversion, we'd have just
>
> static inline int arch_spin_is_locked(arch_spinlock_t *lock)
> {
> - struct __raw_tickets tmp = ACCESS_ONCE(lock->tickets);
> - struct __raw_tickets tmp = read_once(lock->tickets);
>
> return tmp.tail != tmp.head;
> }
>
> which is a much simpler and more obvious change.
>
> And then we could slowly try to migrate existing ACCESS_ONCE() users
> over (particularly writers).
>
> Hmm? Too much?
I will give it a try. I will start with Alexei's version for ACCESS_ONCE and your snippets to build read_once and write_once. The only open question is, what to do with the "too large" accesses. Pauls initial patch showed several
places, e.g. kernel/sched/fair.c accessing an u64 even on 32bit:
[...]
age_stamp = ACCESS_ONCE(rq->age_stamp);
avg = ACCESS_ONCE(rq->rt_avg);
[...]
I think I will simply not touch those...
Christian
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-11-24 21:16 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-24 13:03 [PATCH/RFC 0/7] ACCESS_ONCE and non-scalar accesses Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH 1/7] KVM: s390: Fix ipte locking Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 2/7] mm: replace page table access via ACCESS_ONCE with barriers Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 3/7] x86: Rework ACCESS_ONCE for spinlock code Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 4/7] x86: Replace ACCESS_ONCE in gup with a barrier Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 5/7] mips: " Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 6/7] arm64: Replace ACCESS_ONCE for spinlock code with barriers Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 18:50 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 18:50 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:03 ` [PATCH/RFC 7/7] kernel: Force ACCESS_ONCE to work only on scalar types Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 13:30 ` David Howells
2014-11-24 17:30 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 18:02 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-11-24 18:02 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-11-24 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 18:35 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 19:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 19:07 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 19:14 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 19:42 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-11-24 20:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 20:46 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-11-24 20:28 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 20:28 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 20:04 ` David Howells
2014-11-24 20:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 20:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 20:53 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 21:02 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-24 21:16 ` Christian Borntraeger [this message]
2014-11-24 21:16 ` Christian Borntraeger
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2014-11-24 20:29 Alexei Starovoitov
2014-11-24 20:45 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 20:45 ` Christian Borntraeger
2014-11-24 20:48 ` Paul E. McKenney
2014-11-24 22:58 Alexei Starovoitov
2014-11-24 22:58 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2014-11-25 0:00 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-11-25 2:28 Alexei Starovoitov
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