From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: Leonid Yegoshin Subject: Re: [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:36:50 -0800 Message-ID: <569814F2.50801@imgtec.com> References: <20160112102555.GV6373@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20160112104012.GW6373@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20160112114111.GB15737@arm.com> <569565DA.2010903@imgtec.com> <20160113104516.GE25458@arm.com> <5696CF08.8080700@imgtec.com> <20160114121449.GC15828@arm.com> <5697F6D2.60409@imgtec.com> <20160114203430.GC3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <56980C91.1010403@imgtec.com> <20160114212913.GF3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Return-path: In-Reply-To: <20160114212913.GF3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org Errors-To: virtualization-bounces@lists.linux-foundation.org To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com Cc: linux-mips@linux-mips.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, "Michael S. Tsirkin" , Peter Zijlstra , Will Deacon , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, "H. Peter Anvin" , sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, Russell King - ARM Linux , user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, Michael Ellerman , x86@kernel.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, Ingo Molnar , linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, james.hogan@imgtec.com, Arnd Bergmann , Stefano Stabellini , adi-buildroot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, ddaney.cavm@gmail.com, Thomas Gleixner , linux-metag@vger.kernel.orglinux-a List-Id: linux-arch.vger.kernel.org On 01/14/2016 01:29 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > >> On 01/14/2016 12:34 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote: >>> >>> The WRC+addr+addr is OK because data dependencies are not required to be >>> transitive, in other words, they are not required to flow from one CPU to >>> another without the help of an explicit memory barrier. >> I don't see any reliable way to fit WRC+addr+addr into "DATA >> DEPENDENCY BARRIERS" section recommendation to have data dependency >> barrier between read of a shared pointer/index and read the shared >> data based on that pointer. If you have this two reads, it doesn't >> matter the rest of scenario, you should put the dependency barrier >> in code anyway. If you don't do it in WRC+addr+addr scenario then >> after years it can be easily changed to different scenario which >> fits some of scenario in "DATA DEPENDENCY BARRIERS" section and >> fails. > The trick is that lockless_dereference() contains an > smp_read_barrier_depends(): > > #define lockless_dereference(p) \ > ({ \ > typeof(p) _________p1 = READ_ONCE(p); \ > smp_read_barrier_depends(); /* Dependency order vs. p above. */ \ > (_________p1); \ > }) > > Or am I missing your point? WRC+addr+addr has no any barrier. lockless_dereference() has a barrier. I don't see a common points between this and that in your answer, sorry. - Leonid. From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from [195.59.15.196] ([195.59.15.196]:28483 "EHLO mailapp01.imgtec.com" rhost-flags-FAIL-FAIL-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752425AbcANVhQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 14 Jan 2016 16:37:16 -0500 Message-ID: <569814F2.50801@imgtec.com> Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 13:36:50 -0800 From: Leonid Yegoshin MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: [v3,11/41] mips: reuse asm-generic/barrier.h References: <20160112102555.GV6373@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20160112104012.GW6373@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20160112114111.GB15737@arm.com> <569565DA.2010903@imgtec.com> <20160113104516.GE25458@arm.com> <5696CF08.8080700@imgtec.com> <20160114121449.GC15828@arm.com> <5697F6D2.60409@imgtec.com> <20160114203430.GC3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <56980C91.1010403@imgtec.com> <20160114212913.GF3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> In-Reply-To: <20160114212913.GF3818@linux.vnet.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-arch-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: To: paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com Cc: Will Deacon , Peter Zijlstra , "Michael S. Tsirkin" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann , linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Andrew Cooper , Russell King - ARM Linux , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, Stefano Stabellini , Thomas Gleixner , Ingo Molnar , "H. Peter Anvin" , Joe Perches , David Miller , linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org, sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-metag@vger.kernel.org, linux-mips@linux-mips.org, x86@kernel.org, user-mode-linux-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, adi-buildroot-devel@lists.sourceforge.net, linux-sh@vger.kernel.org, linux-xtensa@linux-xtensa.org, xen-devel@lists.xenproject.org, Ralf Baechle , Ingo Molnar , ddaney.cavm@gmail.com, james.hogan@imgtec.com, Michael Ellerman Message-ID: <20160114213650.dA5oWAnE4Jdf5h_Bfc78IoXSEwhHIBKnf3vT3JE2Tao@z> On 01/14/2016 01:29 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote: > >> On 01/14/2016 12:34 PM, Paul E. McKenney wrote: >>> >>> The WRC+addr+addr is OK because data dependencies are not required to be >>> transitive, in other words, they are not required to flow from one CPU to >>> another without the help of an explicit memory barrier. >> I don't see any reliable way to fit WRC+addr+addr into "DATA >> DEPENDENCY BARRIERS" section recommendation to have data dependency >> barrier between read of a shared pointer/index and read the shared >> data based on that pointer. If you have this two reads, it doesn't >> matter the rest of scenario, you should put the dependency barrier >> in code anyway. If you don't do it in WRC+addr+addr scenario then >> after years it can be easily changed to different scenario which >> fits some of scenario in "DATA DEPENDENCY BARRIERS" section and >> fails. > The trick is that lockless_dereference() contains an > smp_read_barrier_depends(): > > #define lockless_dereference(p) \ > ({ \ > typeof(p) _________p1 = READ_ONCE(p); \ > smp_read_barrier_depends(); /* Dependency order vs. p above. */ \ > (_________p1); \ > }) > > Or am I missing your point? WRC+addr+addr has no any barrier. lockless_dereference() has a barrier. I don't see a common points between this and that in your answer, sorry. - Leonid.