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From: "PaX Team" <pageexec@freemail.hu>
To: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Eric Biggers <ebiggers3@gmail.com>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
	"axboe@kernel.dk" <axboe@kernel.dk>,
	James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
	Elena Reshetova <elena.reshetova@intel.com>,
	Hans Liljestrand <ishkamiel@gmail.com>,
	David Windsor <dwindsor@gmail.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>,
	davem@davemloft.net, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/refcount: Implement fast refcount_t handling
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2017 13:00:18 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <58FDDAC2.11341.175B5A99@pageexec.freemail.hu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170424083250.h2wv2exbi4ytigac@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 24 Apr 2017 at 10:32, Peter Zijlstra wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 21, 2017 at 03:09:39PM -0700, Kees Cook wrote:
> > This patch ports the x86-specific atomic overflow handling from PaX's
> > PAX_REFCOUNT to the upstream refcount_t API. This is an updated version
> > from PaX that eliminates the saturation race condition by resetting the
> > atomic counter back to the INT_MAX saturation value on both overflow and
> > underflow. To win a race, a system would have to have INT_MAX threads
> > simultaneously overflow before the saturation handler runs.

note that the above is wrong (and even contradicting itself and the code).

> And is this impossible? Highly unlikely I'll grant you, but absolutely
> impossible?

here's my analysis from a while ago:
http://www.openwall.com/lists/kernel-hardening/2017/01/05/19

> Also, you forgot nr_cpus in your bound. Afaict the worst case here is
> O(nr_tasks + 3*nr_cpus).

what does nr_cpus have to do with winning the race?

> Because PaX does it, is not a correctness argument. And this really
> wants one.

heh, do you want to tell me about how checking for a 0 refcount prevents
exploiting a bug?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-04-24 11:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-04-21 22:09 [PATCH] x86/refcount: Implement fast refcount_t handling Kees Cook
2017-04-24  8:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24  8:53   ` [kernel-hardening] " Jann Horn
2017-04-24  8:53     ` Jann Horn
2017-04-24  9:20     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 11:00   ` PaX Team [this message]
2017-04-24 11:00     ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 11:15     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 11:15       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 13:08       ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 13:08         ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 13:33         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 13:33           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 15:15           ` PaX Team
2017-04-24 20:40             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 22:01               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 22:01                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 22:37                 ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25  1:11                   ` [kernel-hardening] " Rik van Riel
2017-04-25  9:05                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-25 11:26                 ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 11:26                   ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 16:36                   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 16:36                     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:33     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:33       ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 11:26       ` PaX Team
2017-04-25 16:39         ` Kees Cook
2017-04-26  2:14           ` PaX Team
2017-04-26  2:14             ` PaX Team
2017-04-26  4:42             ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:16   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:16     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 10:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 20:19   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 10:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 10:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-24 20:21   ` Kees Cook
2017-04-24 20:21     ` Kees Cook
2017-04-25 10:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-04-25 11:26   ` PaX Team

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