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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Cc: LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [patch V3 10/12] rseq: Implement rseq_grant_slice_extension()
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2025 22:46:12 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87jz0dtm8r.ffs@tglx> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251029160859.22bb6eed@gandalf.local.home>

On Wed, Oct 29 2025 at 16:08, Steven Rostedt wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Oct 2025 14:22:30 +0100 (CET)
> Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>> +		/*
>> +		 * Quick check conditions where a grant is not possible or
>> +		 * needs to be revoked.
>> +		 *
>> +		 *  1) Any TIF bit which needs to do extra work aside of
>> +		 *     rescheduling prevents a grant.
>> +		 *
>
> I'm curious to why any other TIF bit causes this to refuse a grant?
>
> If deferred unwinding gets implemented, and profiling is enabled, it uses
> task_work. From my understanding, task_work will set a TIF bit. Would this
> mean that we would not be able to profile this feature with the deferred
> unwinder? As profiling it will prevent it from being used?

You still can use it. The point is that a set TIF bit will do extra
work, which means extra scheduling latency. The extra work might be
short enough to still make the grant useful, but that's something which
needs to be worked out and analyzed. Quite some of the TIF bits actually
end up with another reschedule request.

As this whole thing is an opportunistic poor mans priority ceiling
attempt, I opted for the simple decision of not granting it when other
TIF bits are set. KISS rules :)

That's not set in stone and has no user space ABI relevance because it's
solely a kernel implementation detail.

> -- Steve

Can you please trim your replies as anybody else does?

Thanks,

        tglx

  reply	other threads:[~2025-10-29 21:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 63+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-10-29 13:22 [patch V3 00/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 01/12] sched: Provide and use set_need_resched_current() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 02/12] rseq: Add fields and constants for time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-30 22:01   ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-10-31 14:32     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:31   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 20:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-01 22:53       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-03 17:00       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-03 19:19         ` Florian Weimer
2025-11-04  0:20   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 03/12] rseq: Provide static branch for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 17:23   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-10-29 21:12     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:34   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 04/12] rseq: Add statistics " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 05/12] rseq: Add prctl() to enable " Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:43   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 21:05     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 06/12] rseq: Implement sys_rseq_slice_yield() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:46   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-31 21:07     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-03 17:07       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 07/12] rseq: Implement syscall entry work for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 19:53   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-19  0:20   ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-19 15:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-20  7:37       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-20 11:31         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-21  0:12           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-26 22:02             ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-21  9:28           ` david laight
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 08/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension enforcement timer Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 18:45   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:37     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 23:53       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-31 19:59   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 09/12] rseq: Reset slice extension when scheduled Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-31 20:03   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 10/12] rseq: Implement rseq_grant_slice_extension() Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 20:08   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:46     ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2025-10-29 22:04       ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-31 14:33         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 11/12] entry: Hook up rseq time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 13:22 ` [patch V3 12/12] selftests/rseq: Implement time slice extension test Thomas Gleixner
2025-10-29 15:10 ` [patch V3 00/12] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-10-29 15:40   ` Steven Rostedt
2025-10-29 21:49     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-06 17:28 ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-10 14:23   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-10 17:05     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-11 16:42     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12  6:30       ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-12 20:40         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12 21:57         ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 23:17           ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-13  2:34             ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-11-13 14:38               ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 20:31       ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-11-12 20:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-11-12 21:54           ` Thomas Gleixner

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