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From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:34:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <957a3755-96a6-6e39-f17e-421de029ca79@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28485373.pjx0rukqdF@wuerfel>

On 11/08/16 17:02, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:02:42 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:31:05PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:12:53 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>>> There's the TLS emulation too, but that writes via the vectors mapping
>>>> at 0xffff0ff0.
>>>
>>> Ok, so that should be safe. Can we change the fiq code to also use the
>>> high mapping and then take the __ro_after_init patch on top?
>>
>> We can't - if the kernel is configured without the kuser helpers in
>> the vectors page, it's mapped read-only. I'm not sure what the
>> intersection is between platforms that can have FIQs and platforms
>> that can disable the kuser helpers.
>
> From Kconfig logic and callers of set_fiq_handler(), theoretically
> there is just i.MX3, but I think they never use fiq in their
> audio drivers in practice already, and Mark Brown mentioned
> that we could remove fiq support in the imx audio driver (don't
> remember the details at the moment).
>
> If we can prove that i.MX3 PCM FIQ support is never used, then the
> intersection is empty, and all machines that use FIQ require kuser
> helpers.
>
> This may change with Daniel Thompson's patches that use the FIQ
> for NMI backtrace.

It shouldn't do!

All the work I did (and am, very slowly, still doing) worked by using 
the default FIQ handler provided at boot time to jump into the perf code.

Nothing I have done or plan to do needs set_fiq_handler() to remain 
functional.

Likewise, nothing I have done should cause set_fiq_handler() to stop 
working for people who do still use it. FWIW I got the impression over 
the last few years that the most significant uses of FIQ on modern 
systems are out-of-tree uses who have designed custom FPGA hardware (and 
presumably designed them with very short FIFOs).


Daniel.

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From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:34:06 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <957a3755-96a6-6e39-f17e-421de029ca79@linaro.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20160812113406.cU2N25IQOgUdp4gfx5yQ8u_Ugil2BXDO6fHEX0b7r-Q@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28485373.pjx0rukqdF@wuerfel>

On 11/08/16 17:02, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:02:42 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:31:05PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:12:53 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>>> There's the TLS emulation too, but that writes via the vectors mapping
>>>> at 0xffff0ff0.
>>>
>>> Ok, so that should be safe. Can we change the fiq code to also use the
>>> high mapping and then take the __ro_after_init patch on top?
>>
>> We can't - if the kernel is configured without the kuser helpers in
>> the vectors page, it's mapped read-only. I'm not sure what the
>> intersection is between platforms that can have FIQs and platforms
>> that can disable the kuser helpers.
>
> From Kconfig logic and callers of set_fiq_handler(), theoretically
> there is just i.MX3, but I think they never use fiq in their
> audio drivers in practice already, and Mark Brown mentioned
> that we could remove fiq support in the imx audio driver (don't
> remember the details at the moment).
>
> If we can prove that i.MX3 PCM FIQ support is never used, then the
> intersection is empty, and all machines that use FIQ require kuser
> helpers.
>
> This may change with Daniel Thompson's patches that use the FIQ
> for NMI backtrace.

It shouldn't do!

All the work I did (and am, very slowly, still doing) worked by using 
the default FIQ handler provided at boot time to jump into the perf code.

Nothing I have done or plan to do needs set_fiq_handler() to remain 
functional.

Likewise, nothing I have done should cause set_fiq_handler() to stop 
working for people who do still use it. FWIW I got the impression over 
the last few years that the most significant uses of FIQ on modern 
systems are out-of-tree uses who have designed custom FPGA hardware (and 
presumably designed them with very short FIFOs).


Daniel.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-12 11:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-03 18:40 [PATCH 0/2] expand use of __ro_after_init Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86: apply more __ro_after_init and const Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:51   ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2016-06-03 21:26     ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 21:26       ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-06-03 21:54       ` Greg KH
2016-06-03 21:54         ` Greg KH
2016-06-03 22:01         ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 22:01           ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10  9:43   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10  9:43     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 10:00     ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 10:00       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 10:12       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 10:12         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 19:31         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 19:31           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 23:02           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-11 16:02             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 16:02               ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-12 11:34               ` Daniel Thompson [this message]
2016-08-12 11:34                 ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-10 17:06     ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-10 17:06       ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-08-10 18:32     ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 18:32       ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 19:41       ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 19:41         ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 21:40         ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 23:06         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-11 15:54           ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 15:54             ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 22:16             ` Kees Cook
2016-08-12 16:24             ` Russell King - ARM Linux

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