From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
x86@kernel.org, Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:34:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <957a3755-96a6-6e39-f17e-421de029ca79@linaro.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28485373.pjx0rukqdF@wuerfel>
On 11/08/16 17:02, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:02:42 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:31:05PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:12:53 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>>> There's the TLS emulation too, but that writes via the vectors mapping
>>>> at 0xffff0ff0.
>>>
>>> Ok, so that should be safe. Can we change the fiq code to also use the
>>> high mapping and then take the __ro_after_init patch on top?
>>
>> We can't - if the kernel is configured without the kuser helpers in
>> the vectors page, it's mapped read-only. I'm not sure what the
>> intersection is between platforms that can have FIQs and platforms
>> that can disable the kuser helpers.
>
> From Kconfig logic and callers of set_fiq_handler(), theoretically
> there is just i.MX3, but I think they never use fiq in their
> audio drivers in practice already, and Mark Brown mentioned
> that we could remove fiq support in the imx audio driver (don't
> remember the details at the moment).
>
> If we can prove that i.MX3 PCM FIQ support is never used, then the
> intersection is empty, and all machines that use FIQ require kuser
> helpers.
>
> This may change with Daniel Thompson's patches that use the FIQ
> for NMI backtrace.
It shouldn't do!
All the work I did (and am, very slowly, still doing) worked by using
the default FIQ handler provided at boot time to jump into the perf code.
Nothing I have done or plan to do needs set_fiq_handler() to remain
functional.
Likewise, nothing I have done should cause set_fiq_handler() to stop
working for people who do still use it. FWIW I got the impression over
the last few years that the most significant uses of FIQ on modern
systems are out-of-tree uses who have designed custom FPGA hardware (and
presumably designed them with very short FIFOs).
Daniel.
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From: Daniel Thompson <daniel.thompson@linaro.org>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org>,
x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Mathias Krause <minipli@googlemail.com>,
Mark Brown <broonie@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init
Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 12:34:06 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <957a3755-96a6-6e39-f17e-421de029ca79@linaro.org> (raw)
Message-ID: <20160812113406.cU2N25IQOgUdp4gfx5yQ8u_Ugil2BXDO6fHEX0b7r-Q@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <28485373.pjx0rukqdF@wuerfel>
On 11/08/16 17:02, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Thursday, August 11, 2016 12:02:42 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 09:31:05PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, August 10, 2016 11:12:53 AM CEST Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
>>>> There's the TLS emulation too, but that writes via the vectors mapping
>>>> at 0xffff0ff0.
>>>
>>> Ok, so that should be safe. Can we change the fiq code to also use the
>>> high mapping and then take the __ro_after_init patch on top?
>>
>> We can't - if the kernel is configured without the kuser helpers in
>> the vectors page, it's mapped read-only. I'm not sure what the
>> intersection is between platforms that can have FIQs and platforms
>> that can disable the kuser helpers.
>
> From Kconfig logic and callers of set_fiq_handler(), theoretically
> there is just i.MX3, but I think they never use fiq in their
> audio drivers in practice already, and Mark Brown mentioned
> that we could remove fiq support in the imx audio driver (don't
> remember the details at the moment).
>
> If we can prove that i.MX3 PCM FIQ support is never used, then the
> intersection is empty, and all machines that use FIQ require kuser
> helpers.
>
> This may change with Daniel Thompson's patches that use the FIQ
> for NMI backtrace.
It shouldn't do!
All the work I did (and am, very slowly, still doing) worked by using
the default FIQ handler provided at boot time to jump into the perf code.
Nothing I have done or plan to do needs set_fiq_handler() to remain
functional.
Likewise, nothing I have done should cause set_fiq_handler() to stop
working for people who do still use it. FWIW I got the impression over
the last few years that the most significant uses of FIQ on modern
systems are out-of-tree uses who have designed custom FPGA hardware (and
presumably designed them with very short FIFOs).
Daniel.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2016-08-12 11:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2016-06-03 18:40 [PATCH 0/2] expand use of __ro_after_init Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` [PATCH 1/2] x86: apply more __ro_after_init and const Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` [PATCH 2/2] arm: apply more __ro_after_init Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:40 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 18:51 ` [kernel-hardening] " Greg KH
2016-06-03 21:26 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 21:26 ` [kernel-hardening] " Kees Cook
2016-06-03 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-06-03 21:54 ` Greg KH
2016-06-03 22:01 ` Kees Cook
2016-06-03 22:01 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 9:43 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 9:43 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 10:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 10:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 10:12 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 10:12 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-10 19:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 19:31 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 23:02 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-11 16:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 16:02 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-12 11:34 ` Daniel Thompson [this message]
2016-08-12 11:34 ` Daniel Thompson
2016-08-10 17:06 ` Daniel Micay
2016-08-10 17:06 ` [kernel-hardening] " Daniel Micay
2016-08-10 18:32 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 18:32 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 19:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 19:41 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-10 21:40 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-10 23:06 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2016-08-11 15:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 15:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2016-08-11 22:16 ` Kees Cook
2016-08-12 16:24 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
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