From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Daniel J Blueman <daniel@numascale.com>,
Alexander Fyodorov <halcy@yandex.ru>,
Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
Thavatchai
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:44:11 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFwZ_-m46qZT586Rae3yESLCVZm6yM8WxMs2kZyCvpM5YA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53063D4A.9010601@hp.com>
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is true for paravirt, but I was talking about virtualization in
> general.
For non-paravirtualized environments, we should basically optimize for
the actual hardware, and assume that the full virtualization is good
enough that we don't care.
Obviously, sometimes we might take "this is particularly expensive to
virtualize" into account, and if it doesn't hurt hardware, try to help
the virtual environment along. So you might have cases where certain
hardware (typically interrupt controllers etc) should be accessed
certain particular ways, because those not only work on real hardware,
but behave well in virtualized environments too.
But for spinlocks, just make the raw hardware work well when not
*actively* paravirtualized. If some hypervisor deals badly with it,
it's a hypervisor or management problem.
Linus
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
the arch/x86 maintainers <x86@kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Michel Lespinasse <walken@google.com>,
Andi Kleen <andi@firstfloor.org>, Rik van Riel <riel@redhat.com>,
"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
Raghavendra K T <raghavendra.kt@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
George Spelvin <linux@horizon.com>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com>,
Daniel J Blueman <daniel@numascale.com>,
Alexander Fyodorov <halcy@yandex.ru>,
Aswin Chandramouleeswaran <aswin@hp.com>,
Scott J Norton <scott.norton@hp.com>,
Thavatchai Makphaibulchoke <thavatchai.makpahibulchoke@hp.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 0/3] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2014 09:44:11 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFwZ_-m46qZT586Rae3yESLCVZm6yM8WxMs2kZyCvpM5YA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20140220174411.RWnc_H4mbsaIyJZrWAAA1qyHTVGclgV6PeP4I4dc44w@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53063D4A.9010601@hp.com>
On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 9:37 AM, Waiman Long <waiman.long@hp.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, that is true for paravirt, but I was talking about virtualization in
> general.
For non-paravirtualized environments, we should basically optimize for
the actual hardware, and assume that the full virtualization is good
enough that we don't care.
Obviously, sometimes we might take "this is particularly expensive to
virtualize" into account, and if it doesn't hurt hardware, try to help
the virtual environment along. So you might have cases where certain
hardware (typically interrupt controllers etc) should be accessed
certain particular ways, because those not only work on real hardware,
but behave well in virtualized environments too.
But for spinlocks, just make the raw hardware work well when not
*actively* paravirtualized. If some hypervisor deals badly with it,
it's a hypervisor or management problem.
Linus
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-20 17:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-17 20:41 [PATCH v4 0/3] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock Waiman Long
2014-02-17 20:41 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock implementation Waiman Long
2014-02-17 20:41 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 7:30 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 19:29 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 19:29 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 7:33 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 19:31 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 19:31 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 7:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 7:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 19:39 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 21:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 0:50 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 0:50 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 8:52 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 19:26 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 21:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 0:58 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 0:58 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 8:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 19:30 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 19:30 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-17 20:41 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] qspinlock, x86: Enable x86-64 to use queue spinlock Waiman Long
2014-02-17 20:41 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] qspinlock, x86: Add x86 specific optimization for 2 contending tasks Waiman Long
2014-02-17 20:41 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 12:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-21 17:08 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 17:09 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 17:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-21 17:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-22 1:36 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-22 1:39 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-17 22:47 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] qspinlock: Introducing a 4-byte queue spinlock H. Peter Anvin
2014-02-18 7:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 7:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-02-18 7:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-02-18 19:30 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 21:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-18 21:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 0:42 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 7:09 ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-19 8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 19:24 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-19 19:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-20 17:37 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-20 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2014-02-20 17:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-20 18:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-19 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-19 20:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-20 17:54 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-20 17:54 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-20 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-20 18:42 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-20 19:21 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-20 19:21 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-20 19:32 ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-20 19:32 ` Raghavendra K T
2014-02-21 17:02 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 17:02 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-21 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-21 17:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-02-19 21:29 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-02-18 7:38 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-02-22 16:56 ` Ingo Molnar
2014-02-25 3:37 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-25 3:37 ` Waiman Long
2014-02-18 19:27 ` Waiman Long
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