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From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Vineet Gupta <vgupta@synopsys.com>,
	Steven Miao <realmz6@gmail.com>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ley Foon Tan <lftan@altera.com>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole>
Subject: Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:18:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzsGSKzbQjWAPxFvc=HeXyr6stk1KsB-1xGCKALgazYuQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170330164342.GR29622@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 05:22:41PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> How would the following affect things?
>
> diff --git a/lib/iov_iter.c b/lib/iov_iter.c
> index e68604ae3ced..d24d338f0682 100644
> --- a/lib/iov_iter.c
> +++ b/lib/iov_iter.c
> @@ -184,7 +184,7 @@ static size_t copy_page_to_iter_iovec(struct page *page, size_t offset, size_t b
>
>         kaddr = kmap(page);
>         from = kaddr + offset;
> -       left = __copy_to_user(buf, from, copy);
> +       left = __copy_to_user_inatomic(buf, from, copy);

This is all going in the wrong direction entirely.

That "__copy_to_user()" code was bad from the beginning: it should
never have had the double underscores. I objected to it at the time.

Now you're making it go from bad to insane. You're apparently
mis-using "inatomic" because of subtle issues that have nothing to do
with "inatomic" - you want to get rid of a might_sleep() warning, but
you don't actuially want inatomic behavior, so the thing will still
sleep.

This all very subtle already depends on people having checked the
"struct iov_iter" beforehand. We should *remove* subtle stuff like
that, not add yet more layers of subtlety and possible future bugs
when somebody calls copy_page_to_iter() without having properly
validated the iter.

These are not theoretical issues. We've _had_ these exact bugs when
people didn't validate the stuff they created by hand and bypassed the
normal IO paths.

Trying to optimize away an access_ok() or a might_fault() is *not* a
valid reason to completely break our security model, and create code
that makes no sense (claiming it is atomic when it isn't).

                  Linus

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
To: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"linux-arch@vger.kernel.org" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Richard Henderson <rth@twiddle.net>,
	Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>,
	Haavard Skinnemoen <hskinnemoen@gmail.com>,
	Vineet Gupta <vgupta@synopsys.com>,
	Steven Miao <realmz6@gmail.com>,
	Jesper Nilsson <jesper.nilsson@axis.com>,
	Mark Salter <msalter@redhat.com>,
	Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>,
	Richard Kuo <rkuo@codeaurora.org>,
	Tony Luck <tony.luck@intel.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	James Hogan <james.hogan@imgtec.com>,
	Michal Simek <monstr@monstr.eu>,
	David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>,
	Ley Foon Tan <lftan@altera.com>, Jonas Bonn <jonas@southpole.se>,
	Helge Deller <deller@gmx.de>,
	Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>,
	Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>,
	Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>,
	Chen Liqin <liqin.linux@gmail.com>,
	"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>,
	Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Guan Xuetao <gxt@mprc.pku.edu.cn>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Chris Zankel <chris@zankel.net>
Subject: Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 10:18:23 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CA+55aFzsGSKzbQjWAPxFvc=HeXyr6stk1KsB-1xGCKALgazYuQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20170330171823.07rUF4KJNE0saD5jIPswBsgTUIF3XqXSNbWD6tHNvA0@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170330164342.GR29622@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 05:22:41PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> How would the following affect things?
>
> diff --git a/lib/iov_iter.c b/lib/iov_iter.c
> index e68604ae3ced..d24d338f0682 100644
> --- a/lib/iov_iter.c
> +++ b/lib/iov_iter.c
> @@ -184,7 +184,7 @@ static size_t copy_page_to_iter_iovec(struct page *page, size_t offset, size_t b
>
>         kaddr = kmap(page);
>         from = kaddr + offset;
> -       left = __copy_to_user(buf, from, copy);
> +       left = __copy_to_user_inatomic(buf, from, copy);

This is all going in the wrong direction entirely.

That "__copy_to_user()" code was bad from the beginning: it should
never have had the double underscores. I objected to it at the time.

Now you're making it go from bad to insane. You're apparently
mis-using "inatomic" because of subtle issues that have nothing to do
with "inatomic" - you want to get rid of a might_sleep() warning, but
you don't actuially want inatomic behavior, so the thing will still
sleep.

This all very subtle already depends on people having checked the
"struct iov_iter" beforehand. We should *remove* subtle stuff like
that, not add yet more layers of subtlety and possible future bugs
when somebody calls copy_page_to_iter() without having properly
validated the iter.

These are not theoretical issues. We've _had_ these exact bugs when
people didn't validate the stuff they created by hand and bypassed the
normal IO paths.

Trying to optimize away an access_ok() or a might_fault() is *not* a
valid reason to completely break our security model, and create code
that makes no sense (claiming it is atomic when it isn't).

                  Linus

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-30 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-03-29  5:57 [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification Al Viro
2017-03-29  5:57 ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:08 ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 20:08   ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 20:29   ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:29     ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 20:37     ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 20:37       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 21:03       ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:03         ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:24         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 21:24           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 23:09           ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:09             ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:43             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-29 23:43               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 15:31               ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 15:31                 ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 21:14     ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 21:14       ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-29 23:42       ` Al Viro
2017-03-29 23:42         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30  0:02         ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30  0:02           ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30  0:27           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30  0:27             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30  1:15             ` Al Viro
2017-03-30  1:15               ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 20:40             ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30 20:40               ` Vineet Gupta
2017-03-30 20:59               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 20:59                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 23:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 23:21                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 12:32 ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-03-30 12:32   ` Martin Schwidefsky
2017-03-30 14:48   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 14:48     ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 16:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 16:22   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-30 16:43   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 16:43     ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 17:18     ` Linus Torvalds [this message]
2017-03-30 17:18       ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:48       ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:48         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:54         ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:54           ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:59           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:59             ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 19:10             ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 19:10               ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 19:19               ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 19:19                 ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 21:08                 ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 21:08                   ` Al Viro
2017-03-30 18:56         ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-30 18:56           ` Linus Torvalds
2017-03-31  0:21 ` Kees Cook
2017-03-31  0:21   ` Kees Cook
2017-03-31 13:38   ` James Hogan
2017-03-31 13:38     ` James Hogan
2017-04-03 16:27 ` James Morse
2017-04-03 16:27   ` James Morse
2017-04-04 20:26 ` Max Filippov
2017-04-04 20:26   ` Max Filippov
2017-04-04 20:52   ` Al Viro
2017-04-04 20:52     ` Al Viro
2017-04-05  5:05 ` ia64 exceptions (Re: [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v1] uaccess unification) Al Viro
2017-04-05  8:08   ` Al Viro
2017-04-05  8:08     ` Al Viro
2017-04-05 18:44     ` Tony Luck
2017-04-05 18:44       ` Tony Luck
2017-04-05 20:33       ` Al Viro
2017-04-05 20:33         ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:24 ` [RFC][CFT][PATCHSET v2] uaccess unification Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:24   ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:35   ` Al Viro
2017-04-07  0:35     ` Al Viro

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