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From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	dingel@linux.vnet.ibm.com, bob.picco@oracle.com,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Rob Gardner <rob.gardner@oracle.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	chris.hyser@oracle.com, Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	xiexiuqi@huawei.com, Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sparc64: Add support for Application Data Integrity (ADI)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:02:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVAkRXQVot0KfJxxCxYtakHAvPsmdqpojgBF_CV_6FFpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160307.155810.587016604208120674.davem@davemloft.net>

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:58 PM, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:41:39 -0700
>
>> Shared data may not always be backed by a file. My understanding is
>> one of the use cases is for in-memory databases. This shared space
>> could also be used to hand off transactions in flight to other
>> processes. These transactions in flight would not be backed by a
>> file. Some of these use cases might not use shmfs even. Setting ADI
>> bits at virtual address level catches all these cases since what backs
>> the tagged virtual address can be anything - a mapped file, mmio
>> space, just plain chunk of memory.
>
> Frankly the most interesting use case to me is simply finding bugs
> and memory scribbles, and for that we're want to be able to ADI
> arbitrary memory returned from malloc() and friends.
>
> I personally see ADI more as a debugging than a security feature,
> but that's just my view.

The thing that seems awkward to me is that setting, say, ADI=1 seems
almost equivalent to remapping the memory up to 0x10...whatever, and
the latter is a heck of a lot simpler to think about.

-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
To: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	dingel@linux.vnet.ibm.com, bob.picco@oracle.com,
	"Kirill A. Shutemov" <kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"Aneesh Kumar K.V" <aneesh.kumar@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Andrea Arcangeli <aarcange@redhat.com>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org, Rob Gardner <rob.gardner@oracle.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.cz>,
	chris.hyser@oracle.com, Richard Weinberger <richard@nod.at>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Konstantin Khlebnikov <koct9i@gmail.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Greg Thelen <gthelen@google.com>,
	Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	xiexiuqi@huawei.com, Vineet.Gupta1@synopsys.com,
	Andrew Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	Benjamin Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	"linux-doc@vger.kernel.org" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-mm@kvack.org" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sparc64: Add support for Application Data Integrity (ADI)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:02:14 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALCETrVAkRXQVot0KfJxxCxYtakHAvPsmdqpojgBF_CV_6FFpA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
Message-ID: <20160307210214.Td5AnWidL0F-cFGqt6-26hV5sECrgqQSOyY-p9jhpzY@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20160307.155810.587016604208120674.davem@davemloft.net>

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 12:58 PM, David Miller <davem@davemloft.net> wrote:
> From: Khalid Aziz <khalid.aziz@oracle.com>
> Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2016 13:41:39 -0700
>
>> Shared data may not always be backed by a file. My understanding is
>> one of the use cases is for in-memory databases. This shared space
>> could also be used to hand off transactions in flight to other
>> processes. These transactions in flight would not be backed by a
>> file. Some of these use cases might not use shmfs even. Setting ADI
>> bits at virtual address level catches all these cases since what backs
>> the tagged virtual address can be anything - a mapped file, mmio
>> space, just plain chunk of memory.
>
> Frankly the most interesting use case to me is simply finding bugs
> and memory scribbles, and for that we're want to be able to ADI
> arbitrary memory returned from malloc() and friends.
>
> I personally see ADI more as a debugging than a security feature,
> but that's just my view.

The thing that seems awkward to me is that setting, say, ADI=1 seems
almost equivalent to remapping the memory up to 0x10...whatever, and
the latter is a heck of a lot simpler to think about.

-- 
Andy Lutomirski
AMA Capital Management, LLC

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-03-07 21:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 115+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-03-02 20:39 [PATCH v2] sparc64: Add support for Application Data Integrity (ADI) Khalid Aziz
2016-03-02 23:08 ` Julian Calaby
2016-03-02 23:08   ` Julian Calaby
2016-03-03  0:25   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-03  0:25     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-03  0:48     ` Julian Calaby
2016-03-03  0:48       ` Julian Calaby
2016-03-03 17:28       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-03 17:28         ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-06  4:07 ` David Miller
2016-03-06  4:07   ` David Miller
2016-03-07 15:07   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 15:07     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 15:30     ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 15:30       ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 15:43       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 15:43         ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 16:06         ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 16:06           ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 17:46           ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 17:46             ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 17:53             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 17:53               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 18:12               ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 18:12                 ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 18:39                 ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:39                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:53                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 18:53                     ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                     ` <CALCETrVNM7ZcN7WnmLRMDqGrcYXn9xYWJfjMVwFLdiQS63-TcA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-07 19:22                       ` David Miller
2016-03-07 19:22                         ` David Miller
2016-03-07 19:46                         ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 19:46                           ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 22:40                           ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 22:40                             ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-08  1:31                   ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-08  1:31                     ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 21:06             ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 21:06               ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08 19:57               ` David Miller
2016-03-08 20:16                 ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08 20:16                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08 20:27                   ` David Miller
2016-03-08 20:27                     ` David Miller
2016-03-08 20:59                     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08 20:59                       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 15:45       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 15:45         ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 16:45     ` David Miller
2016-03-07 17:51       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 17:51         ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]     ` <56DD9949.1000106-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-07 16:56       ` David Miller
2016-03-07 16:56         ` David Miller
2016-03-07 18:04         ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:04           ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]           ` <56DDC2B6.6020009-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-07 18:08             ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 18:08               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 18:22               ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:22                 ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:49                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 18:49                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 19:19                   ` David Miller
2016-03-07 19:44                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 19:44                     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 19:54                     ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 19:54                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 20:41                       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 20:41                         ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]                         ` <56DDE783.8090009-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-07 20:58                           ` David Miller
2016-03-07 20:58                             ` David Miller
2016-03-07 21:02                             ` Andy Lutomirski [this message]
2016-03-07 21:02                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-03-07 21:09                             ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 21:09                               ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 23:34                             ` James Morris
2016-03-07 23:34                               ` James Morris
2016-03-07 23:48                       ` James Morris
2016-03-07 23:48                         ` James Morris
2016-03-08  9:33                         ` James Morris
2016-03-08  9:33                           ` James Morris
2016-03-07 18:09           ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 18:09             ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 18:24             ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:24               ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 19:16               ` David Miller
2016-03-07 21:33                 ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 21:33                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 21:38                   ` David Miller
2016-03-07 23:13                     ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 23:13                       ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-08  4:13                       ` David Miller
2016-03-07 23:12                   ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 23:12                     ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 23:27                     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 23:27                       ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08  0:21                 ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08  0:21                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-08  4:24                   ` David Miller
2016-03-08  4:24                     ` David Miller
2016-03-07 23:32               ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 23:32                 ` Rob Gardner
2016-03-07 19:09           ` David Miller
2016-03-07 19:09             ` David Miller
2016-03-07 21:27             ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 21:27               ` Khalid Aziz
     [not found]               ` <56DDF22D.9090102-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-03-07 21:34                 ` David Miller
2016-03-07 21:34                   ` David Miller
2016-03-07 22:30                   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 22:30                     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 17:32 ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 17:35 ` Dave Hansen
2016-03-07 18:15   ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 18:15     ` Khalid Aziz
2016-03-07 19:06   ` David Miller
2016-03-07 19:06     ` David Miller

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