From: "Joseph S. Myers" <joseph@codesourcery.com>
To: Chung-Lin Tang <cltang@codesourcery.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
John Stultz <john.stultz@linaro.org>,
Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Ley Foon Tan <lftan@altera.com>,
Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
LeyFoon Tan <lftan.linux@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/25] Change time_t and clock_t to 64 bit
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 18:01:37 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1405151748430.3155@digraph.polyomino.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5374F56A.3090406@codesourcery.com>
On Thu, 15 May 2014, Chung-Lin Tang wrote:
> > c) glibc may or may not provide a way for applications to use
> > the extended interfaces without a user space ABI break. My
> > impression so far is that this is going to be too hard and
> > it won't be done, but this is for the glibc developers to
> > determine.
>
> glibc does version its exported symbols, so provided new/old syscalls
> are both provided, haveing a new version of a routine (using 64-bit
> time_t and new syscall interfaces) and the old compat routine co-exist
> should be possible. Of course, old binaries may still not be saved when
> 2038 arrives.
You could do it with symbol versioning, though my guess would be that it
would be natural to provide _TIME_BITS like _FILE_OFFSET_BITS (with the
combination _TIME_BITS=64, _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=32 not being supported at
all) and then later transition the default. (Discussion of the
possibility of moving the default to _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 suggested that
in practice most libraries in distributions where this affects the ABI are
already built that way, though noone has followed up on that discussion to
try to reach a consensus that we have enough evidence to change the
default now. There are a couple of issues with the way
_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 is implemented that should be avoided in any
implementation of _TIME_BITS=64: (a) _FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 maps functions
to corresponding *64 functions in the user's namespace, when it should use
reserved-namespace names; (b) it's not a no-op for 64-bit platforms - it
still remaps function names and types. So _TIME_BITS=64 should only map
to reserved-namespace names, and not do any remapping at all on platforms
where time_t is already 64-bit.)
Obviously 64-bit time_t syscalls would be an appropriately narrow set of
syscalls like those in the generic ABI (so glibc would implement stat for
_TIME_BITS=64 using fstatat64_time64 or whatever the syscall is called,
just as the stat functions for generic ABI architectures are implemented
with newfstatat / fstatat64 rather than lots of separate syscalls.
--
Joseph S. Myers
joseph@codesourcery.com
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Thread overview: 132+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-13 8:57 [PATCH 00/25] Change time_t and clock_t to 64 bit Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` [PATCH 01/25] asm-generic: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:15 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 9:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 9:30 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 9:32 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:32 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:50 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 9:50 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 10:17 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 10:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-13 10:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-13 12:07 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 13:11 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-13 13:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-13 14:37 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 10:22 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 10:22 ` James Hogan
2014-05-14 3:47 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-14 10:44 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-13 9:02 ` [PATCH 02/25] arc: Add 32 bit time_t and clock_t Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` [PATCH 03/25] arm: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` [PATCH 04/25] avr32: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 20:19 ` Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2014-05-14 1:54 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-14 7:44 ` Hans-Christian Egtvedt
2014-05-14 21:39 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-13 9:02 ` [PATCH 05/25] blackfin: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:02 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` [PATCH 06/25] c6x: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` [PATCH 08/25] frv: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` [PATCH 09/25] hexagon: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` [PATCH 10/25] m32r: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` [PATCH 11/25] m68k: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:03 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:04 ` [PATCH 12/25] metag: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:04 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:22 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 9:22 ` James Hogan
2014-05-13 9:28 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:28 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` [PATCH 13/25] microblaze: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` [PATCH 14/25] mips: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` [PATCH 15/25] mn10300: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` [PATCH 16/25] openrisc: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:05 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:30 ` Jonas Bonn
2014-05-13 9:30 ` Jonas Bonn
2014-05-13 9:41 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:41 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 17/25] parisc: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 20:17 ` Helge Deller
2014-05-14 1:57 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-15 0:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-15 0:34 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 19/25] s390: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 20/25] score: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 21/25] sh: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 22/25] sparc: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 23/25] unicore32: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` [PATCH 25/25] xtense: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:06 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:10 ` [PATCH 07/25] cris: " Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 9:10 ` [PATCH 00/25] Change time_t and clock_t to 64 bit Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-13 9:23 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-13 15:24 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-05-13 15:33 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-13 17:46 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-05-13 18:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-13 18:24 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-13 19:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-13 20:35 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-14 11:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-14 12:21 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 14:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-14 14:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-14 14:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 15:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 15:47 ` James Bottomley
2014-05-15 16:36 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 21:07 ` One Thousand Gnomes
2014-05-16 7:48 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-05-16 23:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-16 23:06 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-14 21:33 ` John Stultz
2014-05-15 0:14 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-15 3:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-15 11:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 11:18 ` Christoph Hellwig
2014-05-15 17:11 ` Chung-Lin Tang
2014-05-15 17:12 ` Chung-Lin Tang
2014-05-15 17:12 ` Chung-Lin Tang
2014-05-15 18:01 ` Joseph S. Myers [this message]
2014-05-15 19:18 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 20:10 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-15 20:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 20:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 21:05 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-19 8:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-19 8:08 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-19 14:46 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-19 17:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-19 18:12 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-19 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-16 23:11 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-16 23:47 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-17 0:32 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-18 13:46 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-18 16:10 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-18 18:18 ` Joseph S. Myers
2014-05-14 10:13 ` Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-14 10:33 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-14 21:04 ` H. Peter Anvin
2014-05-13 18:15 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-05-13 19:14 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-05-14 3:36 ` [PATCH 24/25] x86: Add 32 bit time_t and clock_t Ley Foon Tan
2014-05-14 3:36 ` Ley Foon Tan
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