From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3905CC433F5 for ; Thu, 27 Jan 2022 17:04:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S244258AbiA0RE2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:04:28 -0500 Received: from netrider.rowland.org ([192.131.102.5]:38513 "HELO netrider.rowland.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S244289AbiA0RE1 (ORCPT ); Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:04:27 -0500 Received: (qmail 178313 invoked by uid 1000); 27 Jan 2022 12:04:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2022 12:04:26 -0500 From: Alan Stern To: Paul =?iso-8859-1?Q?Heidekr=FCger?= Cc: Andrea Parri , Will Deacon , Peter Zijlstra , Boqun Feng , Nicholas Piggin , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , "Paul E. McKenney" , Akira Yokosawa , Daniel Lustig , Joel Fernandes , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn_T=F6pel?= , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Marco Elver , Charalampos Mainas , Pramod Bhatotia Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: Clarify syntactic and semantic dependencies Message-ID: References: <20220125172819.3087760-1-paul.heidekrueger@in.tum.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Jan 27, 2022 at 12:00:22PM +0100, Paul Heidekrüger wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2022 at 04:00:11PM -0500, Alan Stern wrote: > > That's a very abstract way of describing the situation; it doesn't do a > > good job of getting the real idea across. It also mixes up two separate > > ideas: behaviors being unaffected by a syntactic dependency and > > behaviors being undefined. They should be described separately. > > Many thanks for the feedback! I agree, the explanation works a lot > better once readers have been introduced to data, addr and ctrl > relations. > > > I would prefer something along these lines... > > Shall I resubmit the patch with you as co-developer, or, given that it's > arguably your work now, would you like to submit the patch yourself? I'll submit it myself, with Suggested-by: you. How does that sound? Alan