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From: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
To: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
Cc: Marc Zyngier <maz@kernel.org>,
	Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>,
	Niklas Schnelle <schnelle@linux.ibm.com>,
	Leon Romanovsky <leon@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org,
	linux-rdma@vger.kernel.org, llvm@lists.linux.dev,
	Michael Guralnik <michaelgur@mellanox.com>,
	Nathan Chancellor <nathan@kernel.org>,
	Nick Desaulniers <ndesaulniers@google.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH rdma-next 1/2] arm64/io: add memcpy_toio_64
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2024 16:15:16 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <ZbPalOaGu4XjMb0R@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240125012924.GL1455070@nvidia.com>

On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 09:29:24PM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 05:54:49PM +0000, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 24, 2024 at 11:52:25AM -0400, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > 2) Userspace does ST4 to MMIO memory, and the VMM can't explode
> > >    because of this. Replacing the ST4 with 8x STR is NOT better,
> > >    that would be a big performance downside, especially for the
> > >    quirky hi-silicon hardware.
> > 
> > I was hoping KVM injects an error into the guest rather than killing it
> > but at a quick look I couldn't find it. The kvm_handle_guest_abort() ->
> > io_mem_abort() ends up returning -ENOSYS while handle_trap_exceptions()
> > only understands handled or not (like 1 or 0). Well, maybe I didn't look
> > deep enough.
> 
> It looks to me like qemu turns on the KVM_CAP_ARM_NISV_TO_USER and
> then when it gets a NISV it always converts it to a data abort to the
> guest. See kvm_arm_handle_dabt_nisv() in qemu. So it is just a
> correctness issue, not a 'VM userspace can crash the VMM' security
> problem.

The VMM wasn't my concern but rather a guest getting killed or not
functioning correctly (user app killed).

> Thus, IMHO, doing IO emulation for VFIO that doesn't support all the
> instructions actual existing SW uses to do IO is hard to justify. We
> are already on a slow path that only exists for technical correctness,
> it should be perfect. It is perfect on x86 because x86 KVM does SW
> instruction decode and emulation. ARM could too, but doesn't.

It could fall back to instruction decode, either in KVM or the VMM
(strong preference for the latter), but I'd only do this if it's
justified.

I don't think the issue here is VFIO, I doubt we'd ever see emulation
for hardware like mlx5. But we are changing generic kernel functions
like memcpy_toio/__iowrite64_copy() that end up being used in other
drivers (e.g. USB, UART) for emulated devices. If we can keep these
functions as generic as possible for both guest and native runs, that's
great. If the performance difference is significant, we can revisit.

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2024-01-26 16:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 68+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-11-23 19:04 [PATCH rdma-next 0/2] Add and use memcpy_toio_64() Leon Romanovsky
2023-11-23 19:04 ` [PATCH rdma-next 1/2] arm64/io: add memcpy_toio_64 Leon Romanovsky
2023-11-24 10:16   ` Mark Rutland
2023-11-24 12:23     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-27 12:42       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-11-27 13:45         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-04 17:31           ` Catalin Marinas
2023-12-04 18:23             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-05 17:21               ` Catalin Marinas
2023-12-05 17:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-05 19:34                   ` Catalin Marinas
2023-12-05 19:51                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-12-06 11:09                       ` Catalin Marinas
2023-12-06 12:59                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-16 18:51                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 12:30                             ` Mark Rutland
2024-01-17 12:36                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 12:41                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 13:29                                 ` Mark Rutland
2024-01-23 20:38                                   ` Catalin Marinas
2024-01-24  1:27                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24  8:26                                       ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-24 13:06                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24 13:32                                           ` Marc Zyngier
2024-01-24 15:52                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24 17:54                                               ` Catalin Marinas
2024-01-25  1:29                                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-26 16:15                                                   ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2024-01-26 17:09                                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24 11:38                                     ` Mark Rutland
2024-01-24 12:40                                       ` Catalin Marinas
2024-01-24 13:27                                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24 17:22                                           ` Catalin Marinas
2024-01-24 19:26                                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-25 17:43                                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-26 14:56                                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2024-01-26 15:24                                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 14:07                               ` Mark Rutland
2024-01-17 15:28                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 16:05                                   ` Will Deacon
2024-01-18 16:18                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-24 11:31                                       ` Mark Rutland
2023-11-24 12:58   ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-24 13:45     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-24 15:32       ` Robin Murphy
2023-11-24 14:10   ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-11-24 14:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-24 14:48       ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-11-24 14:53         ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-11-24 14:55         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-24 15:59           ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-11-24 16:06             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-27 17:43               ` Niklas Schnelle
2023-11-27 17:51                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-28 16:28                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-01-16 17:33                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 13:20                       ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-01-17 13:26                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-17 17:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-18 13:46                             ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-01-18 14:00                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-18 15:59                                 ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-01-18 16:21                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2024-01-18 16:25                                     ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-01-19 11:52                                       ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-02-16 12:09                                   ` Niklas Schnelle
2024-02-16 12:39                                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2023-11-23 19:04 ` [PATCH rdma-next 2/2] IB/mlx5: Use memcpy_toio_64() for write combining stores Leon Romanovsky

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