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[103.168.172.200]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 6a1803df08f44-6d3961ef085sm65595486d6.48.2024.11.11.17.02.36 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:02:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from phl-compute-12.internal (phl-compute-12.phl.internal [10.202.2.52]) by mailfauth.phl.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8AD61200043; Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:02:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from phl-mailfrontend-01 ([10.202.2.162]) by phl-compute-12.internal (MEProxy); Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:02:36 -0500 X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgeefuddrudefgdeftdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvf curfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpggftfghnshhusghstghrihgsvgdpuffr tefokffrpgfnqfghnecuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecusecvtfgvtghiphhivghnth hsucdlqddutddtmdenucfjughrpeffhffvvefukfhfgggtugfgjgesthekredttddtuden ucfhrhhomhepuehoqhhunhcuhfgvnhhguceosghoqhhunhdrfhgvnhhgsehgmhgrihhlrd gtohhmqeenucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedtgeehleevffdujeffgedvlefghffhleekieei feegveetjedvgeevueffieehhfenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmh epmhgrihhlfhhrohhmpegsohhquhhnodhmvghsmhhtphgruhhthhhpvghrshhonhgrlhhi thihqdeiledvgeehtdeigedqudejjeekheehhedvqdgsohhquhhnrdhfvghngheppehgmh grihhlrdgtohhmsehfihigmhgvrdhnrghmvgdpnhgspghrtghpthhtohepudekpdhmohgu vgepshhmthhpohhuthdprhgtphhtthhopegvghihshiivghrvghghiesfhhrvggvmhgrih hlrdhhuhdprhgtphhtthhopehtohhrvhgrlhgusheslhhinhhugidqfhhouhhnuggrthhi ohhnrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepphgruhhlmhgtkheskhgvrhhnvghlrdhorhhgpdhrtg hpthhtohepshhtvghrnhesrhhofihlrghnugdrhhgrrhhvrghrugdrvgguuhdprhgtphht thhopehprghrrhhirdgrnhgurhgvrgesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtphhtthhopeifih hllheskhgvrhhnvghlrdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepphgvthgvrhiisehinhhfrhgruggv rggurdhorhhgpdhrtghpthhtohepnhhpihhgghhinhesghhmrghilhdrtghomhdprhgtph htthhopeguhhhofigvlhhlshesrhgvughhrghtrdgtohhm X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: iad51458e:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Mon, 11 Nov 2024 20:02:36 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2024 17:02:35 -0800 From: Boqun Feng To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sz=22oke?= Benjamin Cc: Linus Torvalds , paulmck@kernel.org, stern@rowland.harvard.edu, parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, peterz@infradead.org, npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk, luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com, joel@joelfernandes.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev Subject: Re: [PATCH] tools/memory-model: Fix litmus-tests's file names for case-insensitive filesystem. Message-ID: References: <20241111164248.1060-1-egyszeregy@freemail.hu> <69be42c9-331f-4fb5-a6ae-c2932ada0a47@paulmck-laptop> <8925322d-1983-4e35-82f9-d8b86d32e6a6@freemail.hu> <1a6342c9-e316-4c78-9a07-84f45cbebb54@paulmck-laptop> <5acaaaa0-7c17-4991-aff6-8ea293667654@paulmck-laptop> <705daf58-dd30-4935-9864-6489b9b90a35@freemail.hu> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <705daf58-dd30-4935-9864-6489b9b90a35@freemail.hu> On Tue, Nov 12, 2024 at 12:21:51AM +0100, Sz"oke Benjamin wrote: > 2024. 11. 11. 23:00 keltezéssel, Linus Torvalds írta: > > On Mon, 11 Nov 2024 at 13:15, Sz"oke Benjamin wrote: > > > > > > There is a technical issue in the Linux kernel source tree's file naming/styles > > > in git clone command on case-insensitive filesystem. > > > > No. > > > > This is entirely your problem. > > > > The kernel build does not work, and is not intended to work on broken setups. > > > > If you have a case-insensitive filesystem, you get to keep both broken parts. > > > > I actively hate case-insensitive filesystems. It's a broken model in > > so many ways. I will not lift a finger to try to help that > > braindamaged setup. > > > > "Here's a nickel, Kid. Go buy yourself a real computer" > > > > Linus > > > In this patch my goal is to improve Linux kernel codebase to able to > edit/coding in any platform, in an IDE which has a modern GUI. > > Chillout, i am not so stupid to compile kernel on this "braindamaged setup", > I just like to edit the code and manage it by git commands. > Then you just need to create a case-sensitive partition, no? What's the *technical* issue of doing that? And that cannot be more challenging than testing your kernel changes, right? So it won't raise the bar of a potential serious kernel contributer. > So, this is a tipical Braindamaged setup in 2024 for Generation of a half of > Y (like me), Z and Alpha developers. > > Windows or MacOS system > - Visual Studio Code for coding > - Git for manage kernel source > - IntelliSense in coding > - Live coding with other developers > > Linux remote server > - Visual Studio Code remote SSH extension/connection for Linux server > - Sync kernel workdir with remote Ubuntu/Debian/RHEL Linux server > - Remote SSH compile for X86_64, ARM64 etc ... > - Download the build result > How do you know it's "typical"? I just googled it and confirmed I'm a Gen Y ;-) and I'm not using vscode or any IDE, a lot of Gen Y, Z and Alpha developers I know either use Linux on their desktop/laptop or they don't use IDEs. May my experience suffice to say it's not typical? Or is it the case where I thought me and my friends are the whole world? ;-) > Instead of Visual Studio Code it can be possible to use JetBrains, Eclipse > and so on any other modern IDE. The actual limitation is only, that there is > a filename issue in the Linux kernel source with > "Z6.0+pooncelock+poonceLock+pombonce.litmus", why git clone is failed to > work well in this case-insensitive OSs. They are not "case-insensitive" OSes, they support case-sensitive filesystems, and they support them for a reason, so just use them. With your changes, it may be OK at clone time, but as soon as you do some serious development involving `git bisect`, you might be very frustated that your setup doesn't work. So your solution is incompleted (not handling the git history), and your goal is a bit personalized: it's only useful to people who want to read/edit Linux code without running it and don't want to use a case-sensitive filesystem, and that's not very persuasive. I don't think we can accept the solution or commit to that goal. Regards, Boqun