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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	peterz@infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	x86@kernel.org, vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, rjw@sisk.pl,
	yong.zhang0@gmail.com, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>, "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	mingo@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 05/27] xen, cpu hotplug: Don't call cpu_bringup() in xen_play_dead()
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:40:42 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1206051921320.3086@ionos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FCA5608.2010404@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> Ok.. So, I would love to hear a confirmation about whether this patch (which
> removes cpu_bringup() in xen_play_dead()) will break things or it is good as is.
> 
> If its not correct, then we can probably make __cpu_post_online() return an int,
> with the meaning:
> 
> 0 => success, go ahead and call cpu_idle()
> non-zero => stop here, thanks for your services so far.. now leave the rest to me.
> 
> So all other archs will return 0, Xen will return non-zero, and it will handle
> when to call cpu_idle() and when not to do so.
> 
> Might sound a bit ugly, but I don't see much other option. Suggestions are
> appreciated!

Yes, it's butt ugly. 

You are tripping over the main misconception of the current hotplug
code: It's asymetric.

So people added warts and workarounds like the xen one. What you are
proposing is another wart and workaround.

The real way to avoid it, is to have the symetric state machine in
place first and then convert everything to that instead of introducing
an intermediate state which resembles the existing state.

One of the main things we need to do to make it symetric is to kill
the play_dead() thing in the idle loop and make idle a function which
returns on cpu_should_die().

Give me a day or two and I get you a working version of that. (Up is
functional, just down refuses to play along)

Thanks,

	tglx

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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
To: "Srivatsa S. Bhat" <srivatsa.bhat@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: Jan Beulich <JBeulich@suse.com>,
	Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>,
	yong.zhang0@gmail.com, Jeremy Fitzhardinge <jeremy@goop.org>,
	peterz@infradead.org, mingo@kernel.org, x86@kernel.org,
	akpm@linux-foundation.org, nikunj@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com, vatsa@linux.vnet.ibm.com,
	virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	xen-devel@lists.xensource.com,
	Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk <konrad.wilk@oracle.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	rusty@rustcorp.com.au, rjw@sisk.pl, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Keir Fraser <keir@xen.org>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
Subject: Re: [Xen-devel] [PATCH 05/27] xen, cpu hotplug: Don't call cpu_bringup() in xen_play_dead()
Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 19:40:42 +0200 (CEST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1206051921320.3086@ionos> (raw)
Message-ID: <20120605174042.wod9dWiarbTT_kIcUIt-etY2H5mppEzpQBQcQF4N8UE@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4FCA5608.2010404@linux.vnet.ibm.com>

On Sat, 2 Jun 2012, Srivatsa S. Bhat wrote:
> Ok.. So, I would love to hear a confirmation about whether this patch (which
> removes cpu_bringup() in xen_play_dead()) will break things or it is good as is.
> 
> If its not correct, then we can probably make __cpu_post_online() return an int,
> with the meaning:
> 
> 0 => success, go ahead and call cpu_idle()
> non-zero => stop here, thanks for your services so far.. now leave the rest to me.
> 
> So all other archs will return 0, Xen will return non-zero, and it will handle
> when to call cpu_idle() and when not to do so.
> 
> Might sound a bit ugly, but I don't see much other option. Suggestions are
> appreciated!

Yes, it's butt ugly. 

You are tripping over the main misconception of the current hotplug
code: It's asymetric.

So people added warts and workarounds like the xen one. What you are
proposing is another wart and workaround.

The real way to avoid it, is to have the symetric state machine in
place first and then convert everything to that instead of introducing
an intermediate state which resembles the existing state.

One of the main things we need to do to make it symetric is to kill
the play_dead() thing in the idle loop and make idle a function which
returns on cpu_should_die().

Give me a day or two and I get you a working version of that. (Up is
functional, just down refuses to play along)

Thanks,

	tglx


  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-06-05 17:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 125+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-06-01  9:10 [PATCH 00/27] Generic framework for SMP booting/CPU hotplug related code Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:10 ` [PATCH 01/27] smpboot: Provide a generic method to boot secondary processors Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:10   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 16:51   ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-01 22:29     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-04 10:32       ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 13:07         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-04 13:18           ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 13:18             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 16:53             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-05  5:11           ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-05  6:07             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 16:53   ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-01 22:41     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02 15:16       ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02 15:34         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:10 ` [PATCH 02/27] smpboot: Add provisions for arch-specific locking around cpu_online_mask Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:10   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:10 ` [PATCH 03/27] smpboot: Define and use cpu_state per-cpu variable in generic code Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 16:59   ` David Daney
2012-06-01  9:11 ` [PATCH 04/27] smpboot, x86, xen: Determine smp booting implementations at run-time Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11 ` [PATCH 05/27] xen, cpu hotplug: Don't call cpu_bringup() in xen_play_dead() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 12:59   ` [Xen-devel] " Jan Beulich
2012-06-01 15:13     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 15:36       ` Jan Beulich
2012-06-02 18:06         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02 18:06           ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-05 16:49           ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-06-05 16:49             ` Konrad Rzeszutek Wilk
2012-06-05 17:36             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-05 17:40           ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2012-06-05 17:40             ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-05 17:48             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-05 17:48               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11 ` [PATCH 06/27] xen, smpboot: Use generic SMP booting infrastructure Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11 ` [PATCH 07/27] x86, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:11   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-04 14:29   ` Thomas Gleixner
2012-06-04 17:00     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 08/27] m32r: Fix horrible logic in smp_prepare_cpus() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 09/27] m32r, smpboot: Use generic SMP booting infrastructure Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 10/27] mips, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-03  8:25   ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-03 11:48     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-04  2:17       ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 11/27] sh, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12 ` [PATCH 12/27] tile, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:12   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 18:07   ` Chris Metcalf
2012-06-01  9:13 ` [PATCH 13/27] hexagon, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13 ` [PATCH 14/27] ia64: Move holding of vector_lock to __setup_vector_irq() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13 ` [PATCH 15/27] ia64, smpboot: Use generic SMP booting infrastructure Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13 ` [PATCH 16/27] mn10300: Fix horrible logic in smp_prepare_cpus() Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:13   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14 ` [PATCH 17/27] mn10300, smpboot: Use generic SMP booting infrastructure Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-03  8:33   ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-03  8:33     ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-03 11:50     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14 ` [PATCH 18/27] powerpc, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02  6:14   ` Paul Mackerras
2012-06-02  6:14     ` Paul Mackerras
2012-06-01  9:14 ` [PATCH 19/27] blackfin, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14 ` [PATCH 20/27] sparc64, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:14   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 17:55   ` David Miller
2012-06-01 22:44     ` [UPDATED PATCH " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 22:44       ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 22:52       ` David Miller
2012-06-01 22:52         ` David Miller
2012-06-01  9:15 ` [PATCH 21/27] sparc32, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 17:56   ` David Miller
2012-06-01 17:56     ` David Miller
2012-06-01 18:54     ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-01 18:54       ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-01 22:47       ` [UPDATED PATCH " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 22:53         ` David Miller
2012-06-01 22:53           ` David Miller
2012-06-01 23:17           ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 23:17             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02  6:52         ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02  7:44           ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02  8:01             ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02  8:01               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02  8:14               ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02 15:13               ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02 15:13                 ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02 15:58                 ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-02 16:23                   ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-02 16:34                     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-03 21:17                       ` [PATCH] sparc32: refactor smp boot Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-03 21:17                         ` Sam Ravnborg
2012-06-04  1:04                         ` David Miller
2012-06-04  1:04                           ` David Miller
2012-06-04  6:48                         ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15 ` [PATCH 22/27] um, smpboot: Use generic SMP booting infrastructure Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15 ` [PATCH 23/27] cris, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-03  8:41   ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-03  8:41     ` Yong Zhang
2012-06-03 11:52     ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15 ` [PATCH 24/27] parisc, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:15   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:16 ` [PATCH 25/27] s390, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:16   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 10:45   ` Heiko Carstens
2012-06-01  9:16 ` [PATCH 26/27] arm, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:16   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01 11:04   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-06-01  9:16 ` [PATCH 27/27] alpha, " Srivatsa S. Bhat
2012-06-01  9:16   ` Srivatsa S. Bhat

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