From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 31/31] arm64: MAINTAINERS update
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:31:14 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1209101834530.28681@xanadu.home> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120910211757.GD31998@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 01:57:57PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> >
> > > On 17:27 Fri 07 Sep , Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > This patch updates the MAINTAINERS file for the AArch64 Linux kernel
> > > > port.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> > > > ---
> > > > MAINTAINERS | 6 ++++++
> > > > 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > index fdc0119..de368a5 100644
> > > > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > @@ -1209,6 +1209,12 @@ S: Maintained
> > > > F: arch/arm/mach-pxa/z2.c
> > > > F: arch/arm/mach-pxa/include/mach/z2.h
> > > >
> > > > +ARM64 PORT (AARCH64 ARCHITECTURE)
> > > > +M: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > we should put Russell too
> >
> > He is not maintaining the ARM64 code.
>
> And, let's say the rest of it - it doesn't take much inteligence to work
> out what that means for me personally.
For the record, let me state out loud what I think.
I truly think that the core ARM code is a nice piece of art, and this is
because of your technical excellence and good taste with code. The ARM
ecosystem is wide and varied, and keeping it from morphing into a horrid
mess is a thankless challenge. We as a community certainly don't say
this very often if at all, but we certainly owe you a big "thank you"
for the excellent work you did so far, and I hope you'll go on with it
for quite some time yet. In any case, no one with excellent coding
skills such as yours is ever going to lack work and opportunities in
this community.
Even x86, despite its long history in the Linux kernel, is less
fragmented and diversified than the ARM architecture. For better or
worse, the ARM Ltd business model is different from Intel's. That might
be good for the ARM market share and vendor differentiation, but this is
far from the ideal scenario for kernel developers. I said it in the
past and I'll say it again: X86 is peanuts in comparison.
Yet, X86 has 3 listed maintainers according to the MAINTAINERS file.
ARM has only one. AS far as I can see, no one is crazy enough to be
maintainer for two or more architectures.
Unless you were to give up on the ARM 32 bit maintenance, I don't see
how you could be able to maintain both ARM and ARM64 at the same time
without losing your sanity or sacrificing on the quality of the code you
contribute. . Fortunately, Catalin is willing to maintain the ARM64
port and he appears pretty motivated as well. Unless he does screw up,
we should let him bear this weight.
Nicolas
WARNING: multiple messages have this Message-ID (diff)
From: Nicolas Pitre <nico@fluxnic.net>
To: Russell King - ARM Linux <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD <plagnioj@jcrosoft.com>,
linux-arch@vger.kernel.org,
Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 31/31] arm64: MAINTAINERS update
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2012 19:31:14 -0400 (EDT) [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.LFD.2.02.1209101834530.28681@xanadu.home> (raw)
Message-ID: <20120910233114.m9pHiPAi0_T7fX34mXQht4VMvvwQX39vlSZ-H6ztzX8@z> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120910211757.GD31998@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
On Mon, 10 Sep 2012, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 01:57:57PM -0400, Nicolas Pitre wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Sep 2012, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> >
> > > On 17:27 Fri 07 Sep , Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > This patch updates the MAINTAINERS file for the AArch64 Linux kernel
> > > > port.
> > > >
> > > > Signed-off-by: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Tony Lindgren <tony@atomide.com>
> > > > Acked-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
> > > > ---
> > > > MAINTAINERS | 6 ++++++
> > > > 1 files changed, 6 insertions(+), 0 deletions(-)
> > > >
> > > > diff --git a/MAINTAINERS b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > index fdc0119..de368a5 100644
> > > > --- a/MAINTAINERS
> > > > +++ b/MAINTAINERS
> > > > @@ -1209,6 +1209,12 @@ S: Maintained
> > > > F: arch/arm/mach-pxa/z2.c
> > > > F: arch/arm/mach-pxa/include/mach/z2.h
> > > >
> > > > +ARM64 PORT (AARCH64 ARCHITECTURE)
> > > > +M: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> > > we should put Russell too
> >
> > He is not maintaining the ARM64 code.
>
> And, let's say the rest of it - it doesn't take much inteligence to work
> out what that means for me personally.
For the record, let me state out loud what I think.
I truly think that the core ARM code is a nice piece of art, and this is
because of your technical excellence and good taste with code. The ARM
ecosystem is wide and varied, and keeping it from morphing into a horrid
mess is a thankless challenge. We as a community certainly don't say
this very often if at all, but we certainly owe you a big "thank you"
for the excellent work you did so far, and I hope you'll go on with it
for quite some time yet. In any case, no one with excellent coding
skills such as yours is ever going to lack work and opportunities in
this community.
Even x86, despite its long history in the Linux kernel, is less
fragmented and diversified than the ARM architecture. For better or
worse, the ARM Ltd business model is different from Intel's. That might
be good for the ARM market share and vendor differentiation, but this is
far from the ideal scenario for kernel developers. I said it in the
past and I'll say it again: X86 is peanuts in comparison.
Yet, X86 has 3 listed maintainers according to the MAINTAINERS file.
ARM has only one. AS far as I can see, no one is crazy enough to be
maintainer for two or more architectures.
Unless you were to give up on the ARM 32 bit maintenance, I don't see
how you could be able to maintain both ARM and ARM64 at the same time
without losing your sanity or sacrificing on the quality of the code you
contribute. . Fortunately, Catalin is willing to maintain the ARM64
port and he appears pretty motivated as well. Unless he does screw up,
we should let him bear this weight.
Nicolas
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-09-10 23:31 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 146+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-09-07 16:26 [PATCH v3 00/31] AArch64 Linux kernel port Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 01/31] arm64: Assembly macros and definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 02/31] arm64: Kernel booting and initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-09 17:20 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-09 23:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-09 23:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 5:53 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-10 12:51 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 13:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 14:12 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 14:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 14:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 14:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 15:00 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 15:21 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-10 15:21 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-10 16:08 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 16:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 20:28 ` Jon Masters
2012-09-10 16:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-12 12:08 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-12 13:49 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-13 15:56 ` Christopher Covington
2012-09-13 15:56 ` Christopher Covington
2012-09-13 17:11 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 03/31] arm64: Exception handling Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:09 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 04/31] arm64: MMU definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 05/31] arm64: MMU initialisation Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:10 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 06/31] arm64: MMU fault handling and page table management Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 07/31] arm64: Process management Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 08/31] arm64: CPU support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 19:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 16:43 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 09/31] arm64: Cache maintenance routines Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 16:48 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 17:29 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-14 16:53 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:35 ` Simon Baatz
2012-09-12 9:29 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-12 21:55 ` Simon Baatz
2012-09-13 12:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-13 20:14 ` Simon Baatz
2012-09-13 20:14 ` Simon Baatz
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 10/31] arm64: TLB maintenance functionality Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 11/31] arm64: IRQ handling Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-12 10:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-12 10:24 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 12/31] arm64: Atomic operations Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:37 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 13/31] arm64: Device specific operations Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 14/31] arm64: DMA mapping API Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:38 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 15/31] arm64: SMP support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:39 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 16/31] arm64: ELF definitions Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 17/31] arm64: System calls handling Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 19:54 ` Al Viro
2012-09-10 9:56 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 13:51 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 14:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-10 14:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-10 15:50 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 18/31] arm64: VDSO support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 19:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 19/31] arm64: Signal handling support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 20/31] arm64: User access library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 21/31] arm64: 32-bit (compat) applications support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:47 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-13 9:07 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-13 11:03 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-13 15:50 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 22/31] arm64: Floating point and SIMD Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 23/31] arm64: Debugging support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:26 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:26 ` [PATCH v3 24/31] arm64: Add support for /proc/sys/debug/exception-trace Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 25/31] arm64: Performance counters support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 26/31] arm64: Miscellaneous library functions Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-12 21:12 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-13 10:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-13 10:48 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 27/31] arm64: Loadable modules Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 28/31] arm64: Generic timers support Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:53 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-08 8:28 ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2012-09-08 8:28 ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 29/31] arm64: Miscellaneous header files Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 19:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 30/31] arm64: Build infrastructure Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2012-09-07 16:27 ` [PATCH v3 31/31] arm64: MAINTAINERS update Catalin Marinas
2012-09-07 16:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-09 16:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-09 16:31 ` Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD
2012-09-10 17:57 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 21:17 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-09-10 23:31 ` Nicolas Pitre [this message]
2012-09-10 23:31 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-07 23:25 ` [PATCH v3 00/31] AArch64 Linux kernel port Olof Johansson
2012-09-12 14:54 ` Catalin Marinas
2012-09-08 9:18 ` Santosh Shilimkar
2012-09-08 13:59 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-08 14:42 ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2012-09-10 17:53 ` Nicolas Pitre
2012-09-10 20:22 ` Jon Masters
2012-09-12 11:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
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