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From: Jes Sorensen <jes@sgi.com>
To: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>
Cc: linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, jbarnes@virtuousgeek.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [rfc] add io barriers, remove mmiowb
Date: 22 May 2008 04:34:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <yq0fxsaivo4.fsf@jaguar.mkp.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080521152855.GE8897@wotan.suse.de>

>>>>> "Nick" == Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de> writes:

Nick> mb and wmb are now no longer guaranteed to order system memory
Nick> operations with device memory stores. mmiowb has been introduced
Nick> to provide this ordering (when combined with a mb, wmb, or
Nick> spin_unlock). Unfortunately, it appears to be rather less well
Nick> understood among both users and implementors than even the old
Nick> memory barrier scheme. It also subtly breaks existing code that
Nick> uses mb or wmb (if only on sn2). I really think it is not a good
Nick> solution.

Nick> The alternative I propose is to restore mb and wmb to their full
Nick> strength.  This does mean that sn2 has to do the equivalent of
Nick> mb+mmiowb, wmb+mmiowb respectively, but that's the price you pay
Nick> for weak memory ordering.

Nick,

Introducing this constraint would make me less than pleased I have to
admit. It's a very expensive operation to do since it requires going
out talking to the PCI bridge, doing that on every wmb() is going to
really hurt :-(

Cheers,
Jes

  reply	other threads:[~2008-05-22  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-05-21 15:28 [rfc] add io barriers, remove mmiowb Nick Piggin
2008-05-22  8:34 ` Jes Sorensen [this message]
2008-05-22  9:51   ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-22 12:28     ` Jes Sorensen
2008-05-22 16:34       ` Jesse Barnes
2008-05-23  1:44         ` Nick Piggin
2008-05-22 23:59       ` Paul Mackerras

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