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From: mbizon@freebox.fr (Maxime Bizon)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better?
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2013 13:33:59 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1382614439.6040.16.camel@sakura.staff.proxad.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131024095232.27BBCC4039D@trevor.secretlab.ca>


On Thu, 2013-10-24 at 10:52 +0100, Grant Likely wrote:

> At this point if the hardware exists then it should be described in DTB,
> even if it is merely compatible, reg, interrupts and maybe clocks

if your driver does not use them, chances are you'll get them wrong.

> properties. In many cases that is all that is required. It /is/ okay to
> amend a binding later and to use default values if the new properties
> aren't present.

how do you handle the case of a wrong property, because you only wrote
hardware description and not the driver ?

> hardware description when enabling previously unused peripherals, but it
> is absolutely not friendly to change a binding/driver in a what that fails on
> previously working DTB (with the caveat that if no one notices, it
> isn't breakage).

ok then how do we solve that case:

 - Marvell SOC 1 is mainlined
 - Marvell SOC 2 is mainlined
 - Marvell SOC 'x' is mainlined
 - "PIO" hw crypto driver is written, working for all SOCs
 - [1 year]
 - SOCs bindings are marked as stable
 - [1 year]
 - someone rewrite the driver of hw crypto to use DMA, existing binding
is not ok because clock 'foo' or interrupt 'bar', now required, are not
present.

what is the process merge that driver ?

if the answer is that you need to keep PIO mode in driver so that
existing DTBs still works with it, then this is just plain *wrong*.

-- 
Maxime

  reply	other threads:[~2013-10-24 11:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 171+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-10-20 21:26 ARM topic: Is DT on ARM the solution, or is there something better? Stephen Warren
2013-10-20 22:08 ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-20 22:21   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21  1:00     ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-21  9:15       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 14:57         ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-21 17:07         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-21 20:24           ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:30             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:06               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:22           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-21 20:29       ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 20:40         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22  9:39           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 15:04             ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22 17:13               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-22 17:49                 ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  8:06                 ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23  9:49                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:16                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:25                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:05                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:57                           ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 20:12                           ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 17:55                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:13                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 20:35                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:29                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 17:45                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:46                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-23 18:51                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 19:12                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24  9:52                         ` Grant Likely
2013-10-24 11:33                           ` Maxime Bizon [this message]
2013-10-24 11:47                             ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:13                               ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 12:22                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:05                                   ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:14                                     ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:46                                       ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 19:52                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 20:11                                       ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-25  9:00                                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-24 12:23                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 12:29                                 ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:00                                 ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 13:10                                   ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 13:30                                     ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:05                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:19                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:30                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:38                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:39                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 16:45                                               ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 17:08                                                 ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 18:15                                                 ` jonsmirl at gmail.com
2013-10-24 14:32                                           ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 14:47                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:37                                             ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:33                                           ` Maxime Bizon
2013-10-24 14:57                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 16:27                                         ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-24 14:12                                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:22                                       ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:23                                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 14:38                                           ` David Woodhouse
2013-10-24 14:58                                             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 19:58                                         ` Matt Porter
2013-10-24 23:54                                       ` Grant Likely
2013-10-25  8:52                             ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-25  9:16                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 17:47                     ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 17:58                       ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-23 18:02                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:23                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  8:34                           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:00                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24 19:46                               ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 18:01                     ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 18:25                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23 18:30                         ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-23 18:54                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-24  8:06                             ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:17                               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  8:52                                 ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-23 23:29                           ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24  7:32                             ` Richard Cochran
2013-10-24  9:35                               ` Ben Hutchings
2013-10-24 12:02                         ` Andre Heider
2013-10-24  8:01                     ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  8:11                       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 17:42               ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 18:21                 ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-22 18:36                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 19:16                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:12                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:41                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2013-10-22 21:39                     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-10-23  8:50                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23  9:02                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 20:42                   ` Matt Porter
2013-10-23 10:04                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 11:48                       ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 16:29                       ` Matt Porter
2013-10-22  6:47       ` David Brown
2013-10-20 23:11 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-20 23:44   ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-20 23:51     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  0:13       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-21 20:05     ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-22  9:45       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21  8:32   ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-21  8:48     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21  9:27       ` Sascha Hauer
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     [not found]           ` < 20131024072811.GS30088@pengutronix.de>
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2013-10-21  9:57         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:24           ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:30             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-10-21 10:41               ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22  9:19             ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Mark Brown
2013-10-21 20:09           ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 23:18           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  1:14         ` Rob Clark
2013-10-24  7:28           ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24  9:00             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24  9:21               ` Sascha Hauer
2013-10-24 21:21             ` Rob Clark
2013-10-25  9:24               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 12:45               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 15:37                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 16:11                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-11-18 16:18                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:43                     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19 13:54                 ` Grant Likely
2013-10-21 10:04       ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 10:57       ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 10:00   ` Laurent Pinchart
2013-10-21 11:18   ` Sebastian Hesselbarth
2013-10-21  8:54 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-21 20:19   ` Stephen Warren
2013-10-21 22:51     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 10:27       ` James Hogan
2013-10-22 16:31         ` Jonathan Cameron
2013-10-22 16:49           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:35             ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:10               ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23  7:57                 ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-23 16:01                   ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-23 21:07                     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-24 15:18                       ` Guenter Roeck
2013-11-01 10:36                         ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-01 13:30                           ` Guenter Roeck
2013-10-22 20:48         ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 10:25     ` Thierry Reding
2013-10-22 21:44 ` Matt Sealey
2013-10-23 11:41   ` Peter Maydell
2013-10-23 23:02     ` [Ksummit-2013-discuss] " Rob Herring
2013-11-18 12:26 ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 13:40   ` Grant Likely
2013-11-18 13:57     ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 15:29       ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 15:50         ` Mark Brown
2013-11-18 16:06           ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 17:16             ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-19  9:35               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 17:27                 ` Stephen Warren
2013-11-20 13:29                   ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-18 18:35             ` Mark Brown
2013-11-19  9:11               ` Thierry Reding
2013-11-19 10:16                 ` Mark Brown

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