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From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 17:13:07 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1418981.0py7JxXCp8@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140217155419.682F7C401D4@trevor.secretlab.ca>

On Monday 17 February 2014 15:54:19 Grant Likely wrote:
> On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 11:20:00 -0700, Jason Gunthorpe <jgunthorpe@obsidianresearch.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 12:45:54PM -0500, Jason Cooper wrote:
> > 
> > > The bootloader would then load this file into ram, and pass the
> > > address/size to the kernel either via dt, or commandline.  kaslr (run in
> > > the decompressor) would consume some of this randomness, and then
> > > random.c would consume the rest in a non-crediting initialization.
> > 
> > Sure is a neat idea, but I think in general it would probably be smart
> > to include the entire FDT blob in the early random pool, that way you
> > get MACs and other machine unique data too.
> 
> I applied a patch that did exactly that (109b623629), and then reverted
> it (b920ecc82) shortly thereafter because add_device_randomness() is
> a rather slow function and FDTs can get large. I'd like to see someone
> do a reasonable analysis on the cost of using an FDT for randomness
> before I reapply a patch doing something similar. An awful lot of the
> FDT data is not very random, but there are certainly portions of it that
> are appropriate for the random pool.

Could we use a faster hash function that scans the entire device tree and
then just feed the output of that into add_device_randomness? We probably
can't expect that there is a lot of entropy in the DT blob, so the
result wouldn't be all that different in terms of quality of the random
seed.

	Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2014-02-17 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-02-12  1:33 [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness Laura Abbott
     [not found] ` < 201402121251.06280.arnd@arndb.de>
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 1/3] of: Add early randomness hooks Laura Abbott
2014-02-12 16:47   ` Grant Likely
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 2/3] arm: Add ARCH_WANT_OF_RANDOMNESS Laura Abbott
2014-02-12 16:49   ` Grant Likely
2014-02-13  0:54     ` Laura Abbott
2014-02-12  1:33 ` [RFC/PATCH 3/3] init: Move stack canary initialization after setup_arch Laura Abbott
2014-02-12 11:51 ` [RFC/PATCH 0/3] Add devicetree scanning for randomness Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-12 17:45   ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 18:13     ` Olof Johansson
2014-02-12 18:32       ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 18:17     ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-12 18:45       ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 19:12         ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-12 19:43           ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-12 23:55           ` Rob Herring
2014-02-12 18:20     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-02-12 18:51       ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-17 15:54       ` Grant Likely
2014-02-17 16:13         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-02-17 18:23           ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-17 21:07             ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2014-02-18 17:56               ` Jason Cooper
2014-02-18  9:39           ` Grant Likely
2014-02-18 18:19         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-02-12 21:35     ` Kees Cook
2014-02-13  0:06   ` Laura Abbott

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