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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
@ 2015-10-05 11:53 Ian Campbell
  2015-10-12 13:04 ` Ian Campbell
                   ` (2 more replies)
  0 siblings, 3 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ian Campbell @ 2015-10-05 11:53 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
.dtsi supplied by arch/arm.

Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.

The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.

Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
where that should be.

Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
/include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
file arch/arm/boot/dts.

Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
on not building for arm64 now.

[0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-rebasing.git/

Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
Cc: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>
Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
Cc: Kristina Martsenko <kristina.martsenko@arm.com>
Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
Cc: Frank Rowand <frank.rowand@sonymobile.com>
Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
Cc: devicetree at vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org
Cc: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
Cc: arm at kernel.org
Cc: linux-kbuild at vger.kernel.org
---
For more on flattening symlinks see
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.input/45646/focus=45742
---
 arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts | 2 +-
 arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi        | 1 +
 2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
 create mode 120000 arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi

diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
index 5b1d018..bb3c26d 100644
--- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
+++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
@@ -186,6 +186,6 @@
 				<0 0 41 &gic GIC_SPI 41 IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>,
 				<0 0 42 &gic GIC_SPI 42 IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>;
 
-		/include/ "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi"
+		/include/ "vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi"
 	};
 };
diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
new file mode 120000
index 0000000..68fd0f8
--- /dev/null
+++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
@@ -0,0 +1 @@
+../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
\ No newline at end of file
-- 
2.5.3

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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
  2015-10-05 11:53 [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm Ian Campbell
@ 2015-10-12 13:04 ` Ian Campbell
  2015-10-12 15:07 ` Catalin Marinas
  2015-10-12 15:37 ` Mark Rutland
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Ian Campbell @ 2015-10-12 13:04 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 12:53 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:

Ping?

> Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
> LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
> included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
> .dtsi supplied by arch/arm.
> 
> Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
> repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
> the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.
> 
> The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
> for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.
> 
> Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
> for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
> where that should be.
> 
> Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
> /include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
> file arch/arm/boot/dts.
> 
> Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
> symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
> both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
> on not building for arm64 now.
> 
> [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-re
> basing.git/
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
> Cc: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
> Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> Cc: Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>
> Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
> Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
> Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
> Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> Cc: Kristina Martsenko <kristina.martsenko@arm.com>
> Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
> Cc: Frank Rowand <frank.rowand@sonymobile.com>
> Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
> Cc: devicetree at vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
> Cc: arm at kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kbuild at vger.kernel.org
> ---
> For more on flattening symlinks see
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.input/45646/focus=45742
> ---
>  arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts | 2 +-
>  arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi        | 1 +
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>  create mode 120000 arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> 
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> index 5b1d018..bb3c26d 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> @@ -186,6 +186,6 @@
>  				<0 0 41 &gic GIC_SPI 41
> IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>,
>  				<0 0 42 &gic GIC_SPI 42
> IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>;
>  
> -		/include/ "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m
> -rs1.dtsi"
> +		/include/ "vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi"
>  	};
>  };
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> new file mode 120000
> index 0000000..68fd0f8
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
> +../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> \ No newline at end of file

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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
  2015-10-05 11:53 [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm Ian Campbell
  2015-10-12 13:04 ` Ian Campbell
@ 2015-10-12 15:07 ` Catalin Marinas
  2015-10-12 15:37 ` Mark Rutland
  2 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Catalin Marinas @ 2015-10-12 15:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:53:52PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
> LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
> included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
> .dtsi supplied by arch/arm.
> 
> Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
> repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
> the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.
> 
> The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
> for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.
> 
> Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
> for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
> where that should be.
> 
> Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
> /include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
> file arch/arm/boot/dts.
> 
> Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
> symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
> both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
> on not building for arm64 now.
> 
> [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-rebasing.git/

I don't have any objections but these patches usually go in via the
arm-soc tree.

-- 
Catalin

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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
  2015-10-05 11:53 [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm Ian Campbell
  2015-10-12 13:04 ` Ian Campbell
  2015-10-12 15:07 ` Catalin Marinas
@ 2015-10-12 15:37 ` Mark Rutland
  2015-10-14  2:14   ` Masahiro Yamada
  2015-10-14 15:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
  2 siblings, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Mark Rutland @ 2015-10-12 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:53:52PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
> LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
> included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
> .dtsi supplied by arch/arm.
> 
> Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
> repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
> the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.
> 
> The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
> for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.
> 
> Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
> for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
> where that should be.
> 
> Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
> /include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
> file arch/arm/boot/dts.
> 
> Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
> symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
> both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
> on not building for arm64 now.
> 
> [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-rebasing.git/
> 
> Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
> Cc: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
> Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> Cc: Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>
> Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
> Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
> Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
> Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
> Cc: Kristina Martsenko <kristina.martsenko@arm.com>
> Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
> Cc: Frank Rowand <frank.rowand@sonymobile.com>
> Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
> Cc: devicetree at vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org
> Cc: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
> Cc: arm at kernel.org
> Cc: linux-kbuild at vger.kernel.org
> ---
> For more on flattening symlinks see
> http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel.input/45646/focus=45742
> ---
>  arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts | 2 +-
>  arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi        | 1 +
>  2 files changed, 2 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>  create mode 120000 arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> 
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> index 5b1d018..bb3c26d 100644
> --- a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> @@ -186,6 +186,6 @@
>  				<0 0 41 &gic GIC_SPI 41 IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>,
>  				<0 0 42 &gic GIC_SPI 42 IRQ_TYPE_LEVEL_HIGH>;
>  
> -		/include/ "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi"
> +		/include/ "vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi"
>  	};
>  };
> diff --git a/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> new file mode 120000
> index 0000000..68fd0f8
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> @@ -0,0 +1 @@
> +../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi
> \ No newline at end of file

I was under the impression that there was some reason symlinks of this
fashion were discouraged, but I don't know the details, and I don't have
strong feelings either way.

This solves a problem, and we don't seem to have a better solution. So
to that end:

Acked-by: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>

Thanks,
Mark.

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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
  2015-10-12 15:37 ` Mark Rutland
@ 2015-10-14  2:14   ` Masahiro Yamada
  2015-10-14 15:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Masahiro Yamada @ 2015-10-14  2:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

Hello Ian, Rob, Olof,


2015-10-13 0:37 GMT+09:00 Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:53:52PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
>> Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
>> LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
>> included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
>> .dtsi supplied by arch/arm.
>>
>> Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
>> repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
>> the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
>> while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.
>>
>> The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
>> for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.
>>
>> Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
>> for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
>> where that should be.
>>
>> Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
>> /include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
>> file arch/arm/boot/dts.
>>
>> Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
>> symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
>> both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
>> on not building for arm64 now.
>>
>> [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-rebasing.git/
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>
>> Cc: Rob Herring <robh+dt@kernel.org>
>> Cc: Pawel Moll <pawel.moll@arm.com>
>> Cc: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
>> Cc: Kumar Gala <galak@codeaurora.org>
>> Cc: Liviu Dudau <liviu.dudau@arm.com>
>> Cc: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@arm.com>
>> Cc: Lorenzo Pieralisi <lorenzo.pieralisi@arm.com>
>> Cc: Russell King <linux@arm.linux.org.uk>
>> Cc: Catalin Marinas <catalin.marinas@arm.com>
>> Cc: Will Deacon <will.deacon@arm.com>
>> Cc: Kristina Martsenko <kristina.martsenko@arm.com>
>> Cc: Kevin Hilman <khilman@linaro.org>
>> Cc: Frank Rowand <frank.rowand@sonymobile.com>
>> Cc: Olof Johansson <olof@lixom.net>
>> Cc: devicetree at vger.kernel.org
>> Cc: linux-kernel at vger.kernel.org
>> Cc: linux-arm-kernel at lists.infradead.org
>> Cc: arm at kernel.org
>> Cc: linux-kbuild at vger.kernel.org


I have a similar issue to vexpress, so I want to consult experts.

I am trying to support a new ARM64 SoC and
want to share some DTSI files between arch/arm/boot/dts and arch/arm64/boot/dts.


I think Ian's "dtb: Create a common home for cross-architecture dtsi files"
is under way (or rejected?).

I can live with the symbolic link.
Is it OK (at least for now)?



-- 
Best Regards
Masahiro Yamada

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* [PATCH] ARM64: dts: vexpress: Use a symlink to vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi from arch=arm
  2015-10-12 15:37 ` Mark Rutland
  2015-10-14  2:14   ` Masahiro Yamada
@ 2015-10-14 15:56   ` Arnd Bergmann
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: Arnd Bergmann @ 2015-10-14 15:56 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: linux-arm-kernel

On Monday 12 October 2015 16:37:50 Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 05, 2015 at 12:53:52PM +0100, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > Commit 9ccd608070b6 "arm64: dts: add device tree for ARM SMM-A53x2 on
> > LogicTile Express 20MG" added a new dts file to arch/arm64 which
> > included "../../../../arm/boot/dts/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi", i.e. a
> > .dtsi supplied by arch/arm.
> > 
> > Unfortunately this causes some issues for the split device tree
> > repository[0], since things get moved around there. In that context
> > the new .dts ends up at src/arm64/arm/vexpress-v2f-1xv7-ca53x2.dts
> > while the include is at src/arm/vexpress-v2m-rs1.dtsi.
> > 
> > The sharing of the .dtsi is legitimate since the baseboard is the same
> > for various vexpress systems whatever processor they use.
> > 
> > Previously I attempted to resolve this by creating a shared location
> > for such things but we have been unable to come to a consensus on
> > where that should be.
> > 
> > Instead this patch simply replaces the use of ../../ in the dts
> > /include/ with a symlink in arch/arm64/boot/dts/arm pointing to the
> > file arch/arm/boot/dts.
> > 
> > Since the split device tree repo will shortly be required to flatten
> > symlinks for other reasons this will cause the dtsi file to appear in
> > both src/arm and src/arm64 in the split repo, which is an improvement
> > on not building for arm64 now.
> > 
> > [0] https://git.kernel.org/cgit/linux/kernel/git/devicetree/devicetree-rebasing.git/
> > 
> > Signed-off-by: Ian Campbell <ian.campbell@citrix.com>


> Acked-by: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
> 

Applied to next/dt, thanks!

	Arnd

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