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From: dwmw2@infradead.org (David Woodhouse)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 2/2] Convert smsc911x to use ACPI as well as DT
Date: Tue, 06 Oct 2015 12:08:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1444129723.4674.236.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <D23813FF.33566%charles.garcia-tobin@arm.com>

On Mon, 2015-10-05 at 17:20 -0700, Charles Garcia-Tobin wrote:
> it in ACPI circles
> unless we had wider agreement among OSs to use it. AFAIK PRP00001 has not
> actually been approved yet in the specification forum, and that it in
> itself is more of a concern for me,as the code has been pushed upstream.

Why would that be a concern? In that context it's just one device ID.
Individual devices don't *need* to be approved. OK, the 'PRP' vendor
prefix is not officially assigned but that's really a trivial piece of
bureaucracy.

> I guess it?s up to Catalin, but disabling for ARM seems like a good idea
> right now, another option is to add tests to FWTS.

I understand the motivation to avoid embracing a whole bunch of crappy
bindings. But I think that eschewing PRP0001 is the wrong technical
approach to achieving that.

It has false negatives ? as soon as you have a *single* existing DT
binding, perhaps something as simple as the serial port bindings from
the CHRP days, you'll be in a situation where you can't use that.
I've *got* hardware where I need to advertise a serial port with a
clock-frequency property because it *isn't* compatible with PNP0501.

And it has false positives ? there's nothing to prevent people from
doing ACPI-style bindings with crappy device bindings which also aren't
approved.

I think it's utterly na?ve to believe that simply avoiding the use of
PRP0001 + compatible for matching is going to have *any* significant
beneficial effect whatsoever. It only makes life harder for all
concerned.

Perhaps a better approach would be to introduce something like
CONFIG_UNAPPROVED_BINDINGS (which can't be set on ARM64), and those
drivers which use bindings that *aren't* approved by Catalin's crack
team of reviewers need to depend on !UNAPPROVED_BINDINGS. To be honest,
I still think even *that* is somewhat na?ve, but it's still a better
way of implementing what you're actually trying to achieve, however
optimistic you have to be to think it'll ever work in practice.

-- 
dwmw2

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  reply	other threads:[~2015-10-06 11:08 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-08-12 22:06 [PATCH 0/2] Enable smsc911x for use with ACPI Jeremy Linton
2015-08-12 22:06 ` [PATCH 1/2] Add a matching set of device_ functions for determining mac/phy Jeremy Linton
2015-08-12 22:13   ` Florian Fainelli
2015-08-14 15:55     ` Jeremy Linton
2015-08-13 11:57   ` Robin Murphy
2015-08-13 14:24     ` Jeremy Linton
2015-08-12 22:06 ` [PATCH 2/2] Convert smsc911x to use ACPI as well as DT Jeremy Linton
2015-08-13  8:27   ` Graeme Gregory
2015-08-13  9:01     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-08-13  9:38       ` Graeme Gregory
2015-08-13 10:30         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-09-09 16:10   ` Marc Zyngier
2015-09-23 17:22     ` Jeremy Linton
2015-09-23 17:46       ` Marc Zyngier
2015-09-23 17:57       ` Sudeep Holla
2015-09-24  9:20         ` Catalin Marinas
2015-11-02 15:48     ` Jeremy Linton
2015-09-23 18:41   ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-23 20:51     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-23 21:03       ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-23 23:56         ` Hanjun Guo
2015-09-24  8:16           ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-24 10:31             ` Catalin Marinas
2015-09-24 11:52               ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-24 14:01                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2015-09-24 14:31                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-24 15:15                 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-09-24 18:10                   ` David Woodhouse
2015-09-25 15:28                     ` Catalin Marinas
2015-09-26  2:16                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-09-26 15:20                       ` David Woodhouse
2015-10-01  2:23                       ` Al Stone
2015-10-06  0:20                         ` Charles Garcia-Tobin
2015-10-06 11:08                           ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2015-10-08  0:11                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2015-08-14  0:00 ` [PATCH 0/2] Enable smsc911x for use with ACPI David Miller

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