Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[Pavel Machek]

Hi!

I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
there? Can it get fixed?
								Pavel

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Subject: Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval
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To: pavel at ucw.cz
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Your mail to 'linux-arm-kernel' with the subject

    arm tree in broken state (was Re: What's inside the pxa tree for
this merge window)

Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.

The reason it is being held:

    Message has a suspicious header

Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive
notification of the moderator's decision.  If you would like to cancel
this posting, please visit the following URL:

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Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[David Woodhouse]

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:00 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
> think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
> there? Can it get fixed?

My logs show no bounces, and no rejections of your mail. Can you give me
details of the message which didn't make it through to the list? I can't
see anything of yours which didn't.

-- 
dwmw2

Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[Pavel Machek]

On Sun 2009-10-04 22:07:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:00 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
> > think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
> > there? Can it get fixed?
> 
> My logs show no bounces, and no rejections of your mail. Can you give me
> details of the message which didn't make it through to the list? I can't
> see anything of yours which didn't.

Thats the thing... I just got "suspicious header" message in mail inbox,
and I forwarded that. I tried googling for message subject, and yes it
hit lkml, but google will not tell me if it was delivered to linux-arm...

									Pavel

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Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[David Woodhouse]

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 23:17 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> On Sun 2009-10-04 22:07:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:00 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > > 
> > > I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
> > > think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
> > > there? Can it get fixed?
> > 
> > My logs show no bounces, and no rejections of your mail. Can you give me
> > details of the message which didn't make it through to the list? I can't
> > see anything of yours which didn't.
> 
> Thats the thing... I just got "suspicious header" message in mail inbox,
> and I forwarded that. I tried googling for message subject, and yes it
> hit lkml, but google will not tell me if it was delivered to linux-arm...

Of course it was delivered.

Pavel, what is so hard for you to understand? In order to keep spam and
other noise on the list down, some mails are trapped for _MODERATION_.

When this happens, you get notified. It is not a _bounce_; it is not a
_rejection_. I will not even bother _looking_ if you make stupid claims
like that again.

This happens on lkml too, but the only difference is that you don't get
_told_ about it.

-- 
dwmw2

Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[Jamie Lokier]

David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 23:17 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > On Sun 2009-10-04 22:07:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:00 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
> > > > think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
> > > > there? Can it get fixed?
> > > 
> > > My logs show no bounces, and no rejections of your mail. Can you give me
> > > details of the message which didn't make it through to the list? I can't
> > > see anything of yours which didn't.
> > 
> > Thats the thing... I just got "suspicious header" message in mail inbox,
> > and I forwarded that. I tried googling for message subject, and yes it
> > hit lkml, but google will not tell me if it was delivered to linux-arm...
> 
> Of course it was delivered.
> 
> Pavel, what is so hard for you to understand? In order to keep spam and
> other noise on the list down, some mails are trapped for _MODERATION_.
> 
> When this happens, you get notified. It is not a _bounce_; it is not a
> _rejection_. I will not even bother _looking_ if you make stupid claims
> like that again.
> 
> This happens on lkml too, but the only difference is that you don't get
> _told_ about it.

I guess Pavel wants to know what's suspicious about it, so he can
avoid being stuck in the moderation queue in future.

-- Jamie

Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[Pavel Machek]

On Mon 2009-10-05 12:51:59, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> David Woodhouse wrote:
> > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 23:17 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > On Sun 2009-10-04 22:07:49, David Woodhouse wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 21:00 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > > Hi!
> > > > > 
> > > > > I'm still getting strange bounces about 'suspicious header'. I don't
> > > > > think I'm doing anything strange -- is the 'in-reply-to' trap still
> > > > > there? Can it get fixed?
> > > > 
> > > > My logs show no bounces, and no rejections of your mail. Can you give me
> > > > details of the message which didn't make it through to the list? I can't
> > > > see anything of yours which didn't.
> > > 
> > > Thats the thing... I just got "suspicious header" message in mail inbox,
> > > and I forwarded that. I tried googling for message subject, and yes it
> > > hit lkml, but google will not tell me if it was delivered to linux-arm...
> > 
> > Of course it was delivered.
> > 
> > Pavel, what is so hard for you to understand? In order to keep spam and
> > other noise on the list down, some mails are trapped for _MODERATION_.
> > 
> > When this happens, you get notified. It is not a _bounce_; it is not a
> > _rejection_. I will not even bother _looking_ if you make stupid claims
> > like that again.

Well, I get notified that it was trapped, but that's about it. I do
not get notified when it is forwarded, I do not get notified _why_ it
was trapped, and I'm not even told which exact message was that.

Maybe the "trapped for moderation" message simply should not be sent,
or only be sent after mail is in queue for 24 hours or something?

> > This happens on lkml too, but the only difference is that you don't get
> > _told_ about it.
> 
> I guess Pavel wants to know what's suspicious about it, so he can
> avoid being stuck in the moderation queue in future.

Yep.

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Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[David Woodhouse]

On Mon, 2009-10-05 at 14:08 +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> 
> Well, I get notified that it was trapped, but that's about it. I do
> not get notified when it is forwarded, I do not get notified _why_ it
> was trapped, and I'm not even told which exact message was that.

You do get the Subject line, although you don't get the Message-Id.

> Maybe the "trapped for moderation" message simply should not be sent,
> or only be sent after mail is in queue for 24 hours or something?

Maybe. At some point I want to turn it into an SMTP-time rejection (even
though the message is actually accepted, and the 'rejection' message
will say that. The mailman behaviour will be sending 'notification' to
people whose email address was _faked_ as the sender of the trapped
mail.

> > > This happens on lkml too, but the only difference is that you don't get
> > > _told_ about it.
> > 
> > I guess Pavel wants to know what's suspicious about it, so he can
> > avoid being stuck in the moderation queue in future.

I believe that particular message was flagged by the "Message has
References: or In-Reply-To: header, but Subject doesn't start with 'Re:'
rule -- which is there to catch the people who hijack existing threads
when they should be starting new ones.

I've now made that accept 'Re:' _anywhere_ in the subject line, rather
than only at the beginning, so I don't think that particular mail would
be trapped in future.

But the moderators are usually quite fast -- there's no real _harm_ in
being trapped for moderation. You're making a fuss over nothing.

-- 
dwmw2

Strange rejection messages -- was Your message to linux-arm-kernel awaits moderator approval (fwd)

[Pavel Machek]

> > > > This happens on lkml too, but the only difference is that you don't get
> > > > _told_ about it.
> > > 
> > > I guess Pavel wants to know what's suspicious about it, so he can
> > > avoid being stuck in the moderation queue in future.
> 
> I believe that particular message was flagged by the "Message has
> References: or In-Reply-To: header, but Subject doesn't start with 'Re:'
> rule -- which is there to catch the people who hijack existing threads
> when they should be starting new ones.
> 
> I've now made that accept 'Re:' _anywhere_ in the subject line, rather
> than only at the beginning, so I don't think that particular mail would
> be trapped in future.

Thanks!
									Pavel
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