From: jamie@shareable.org (Jamie Lokier)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: udelay() broken for SMP cores?
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 20:52:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100421195225.GS27575@shareable.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100421192911.GA26616@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk>
Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:00:08AM +0100, Jamie Lokier wrote:
> > Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > Well, the assumption is that the CPUs will be running at their fastest
> > > speed at boot time, and therefore loops_per_jiffy will be calibrated
> > > such that we guarantee _at least_ the asked-for delay - which is the
> > > only guarantee udelay has.
> >
> > That's an interesting and not altogether reliable assumption.
>
> That depends which bit you're talking about. udelay() must give you the
> delay you asked for, or a longer delay. If it gives you a shorter delay,
> it's buggy plain and simple.
>
> > On a device I'm working with, we just read a fixed-speed clock
> > register in a loop. It's slower than the CPU register loop, but given
> > udelay counts in great big slow _microsecond_ delays (how quaint! ;-)
> > that's fine.
>
> We could go to ns delays, but then we have a big problem - the cost of
> calculating the number of loops starts to become significant compared to
> the delays - and that's a quality of implementation factor. In fact,
> the existing cost has always been significant for short delays for
> slower (sub-100MHz) ARMs.
I'm surprised it makes much difference to, say, 20MHz ARMs because you
could structure it as a nested loop, the inner one executed once per
microsecond and calibrated to 1us. The delays don't have to be super
accurate.
With a fixed-speed clock register known at compile time, the
calculation tends to constant-fold nicely, even for ns delays. Not
suitable for multi-target kernels but good on single-target.
-- Jamie
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2010-04-21 19:52 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2010-04-21 2:19 udelay() broken for SMP cores? Saravana Kannan
2010-04-21 4:56 ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2010-04-21 6:43 ` Saravana Kannan
2010-04-21 7:22 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 9:39 ` skannan at codeaurora.org
2010-04-21 9:50 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 9:58 ` Gilles Chanteperdrix
2010-04-21 10:00 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 19:29 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 19:52 ` Jamie Lokier [this message]
2010-04-21 20:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 20:47 ` Jamie Lokier
2010-04-21 20:57 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-22 0:14 ` Jamie Lokier
2011-01-08 23:24 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 10:31 ` skannan at codeaurora.org
2010-04-21 19:33 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-04-21 23:47 ` Saravana Kannan
2010-04-23 9:00 ` Pavel Machek
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