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From: r.schwebel@pengutronix.de (Robert Schwebel)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ARM Machine SoC I/O setup and PAD initialization code
Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:56:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20100726065611.GR20855@pengutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=uThThNaUxCP4qEJjO2TYMzpHfmZ6jLokQxCD@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 10:37:20AM +0900, Magnus Damm wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 6:03 AM, Robert Schwebel
> <r.schwebel@pengutronix.de> wrote:
> > kexec is a good idea only in theory. Last time we tried it, it
> > needed something like 6 s additional boot time. Inacceptable - we
> > bring Qt based GUI systems into the application in 6 s, and
> > automotive systems into userspace in 336 ms. Not to mention that the
> > first kernel needs to be brought up as well.
>
> I disagree with your "in theory only" stamp on kexec. I've used kexec
> for rebooting and crash dumping on i386, x86_64, ia64, ARM and SH.

That's a good usecase, I agree.

> The two presentations pointed out earlier in this thread clearly show
> how to build kexec based boot loaders which boot in one second. The
> overhead of kexec itself is almost nothing. I'm sure you can discuss
> the details of the kexec implementation with Eric Biederman if you'd
> like.

We'll re-do the tests, in order to measure some hard facts. It may turn
out that we have learned more things since we made the last numbers :)

> That aside, the 6 s number looks familiar from earlier Barebox
> presentations that I've eyed through before. When did you test it? Do
> you remember what platform and which kernel version? Are you using a
> full Gnome desktop in your boot loader? =)

On MX35 we boot a naked kernel into a custom /sbin/init application in
336 ms with barebox, starting the measurement at the first assembler
instruction which can be influenced in software.

I think it's a question of what you want to have. The 6 s boot is with:

- Barebox from NAND
- booting the kernel from NAND
- kernel config with everything built in which is needed in the system
- init based userspace
- dbus + some related services
- Qt
- system based on ipkg packages

and it is measured up to the point where the qt application is fully
operational.

> From my point of view it always makes sense to optimize the kernel
> boot up time. This because it will improve the start up time of your
> final kernel _and_ your boot loader as well if you use kexec.

Seconded. What can be done in the kernel should be done in the kernel.

rsc
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  reply	other threads:[~2010-07-26  6:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 34+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-07-21  8:29 ARM Machine SoC I/O setup and PAD initialization code David Jander
2010-07-21  8:47 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22  2:32   ` Simon Horman
2010-07-22  7:20     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22  7:29       ` Simon Horman
2010-07-22  8:38         ` Magnus Damm
2010-07-22  8:49           ` Eric Miao
2010-07-22  9:01             ` Magnus Damm
2010-07-22  9:02             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22  8:46         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22  9:14           ` Simon Horman
2010-07-24 21:36         ` Grant Likely
2010-07-22  8:16       ` Magnus Damm
2010-07-22 12:10         ` David Jander
2010-07-22 12:35           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22 12:56           ` Mark Brown
2010-07-22 13:31             ` David Jander
2010-07-22 13:54               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-23 10:35                 ` David Jander
2010-07-23 13:02                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-22 14:20               ` Mark Brown
2010-07-23 10:18                 ` David Jander
2010-07-23 12:57                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-07-23 14:17                   ` Mark Brown
2010-07-23 18:38                     ` david at protonic.nl
2010-07-23 19:59                       ` Jason McMullan
2010-07-23 21:03                       ` Robert Schwebel
2010-07-26  1:37                         ` Magnus Damm
2010-07-26  6:56                           ` Robert Schwebel [this message]
2010-07-24 18:50                       ` Mark Brown
2010-07-22 15:00               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-07-23 10:31                 ` David Jander
2010-07-22 13:41           ` Rob Herring
2010-07-22 21:20 ` Linus Walleij

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