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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] ARM: allow, but warn, when issuing ioremap() on RAM
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 18:53:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20101008175308.GA10975@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikQKY7pOobD+==uT5Cy0poT=O5wDMKtbVyJVNbO@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Oct 08, 2010 at 12:32:35PM +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> I think when _you_ remove functionality from the architecture, you
> should provide a mechanism that drivers can migrate to. Since there's
> nothing like that, not even a guideline, you are breaking the drivers
> willingly, and expecting other people to fix a difficult problem that
> you yourself have no idea how to fix properly.

We can either wait for people to complain about silent data corruption
or we can be compliant with the architecture specification.  Which is
better - to avoid data corruption and be correct, or allow a system to
become flakey and corrupt people's data.

What I care about is system correctness and people's data - having
multiple mappings with different attributes is documented in very clear
terms as being 'unpredictable' and therefore it isn't permissible to
allow the practice that worked with previous processors (inherently
due to their cache architecture) to continue forward onto processors
with a different cache architecture.

As already discussed, it's nigh on impossible to unmap the existing
direct mapped region (read the previous discussions about why this is)
- which is precisely why there is no direct alternative solution.

The only possible solution is to exclude some memory at boot time from
the system direct map so that it never appears in the direct map, and
use ioremap on _that_.  Another possible alternative is to use highmem,
obtain highmem pages (making sure that it doesn't fall back to lowmem)
and remap them using interfaces such as vmap.

So there are solutions to the problem, but it seems that _no one_ is
willing to discuss it other than "we want our old way back".

If you want the old way back, apply pressure to silicon vendors and
ARM Ltd to change the architecture to lift this restriction - which
will probably mean doing away with aggressive speculative prefetching
so that it's possible to predict what will be in the cache at any
point in time.

  reply	other threads:[~2010-10-08 17:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 101+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-10-07  9:44 [PATCH] ARM: allow, but warn, when issuing ioremap() on RAM Felipe Contreras
2010-10-07 11:51 ` Baruch Siach
2010-10-07 12:29   ` [PATCH v2] " Felipe Contreras
2010-10-07 18:00     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-07 19:22 ` [PATCH] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08  9:32   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-08 17:53     ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2010-10-08 19:37       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-08 23:04         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 23:25           ` Greg KH
2010-10-08 23:44             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09  0:00               ` Greg KH
2010-10-09  0:25                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09  0:54                   ` Greg KH
2010-10-09  2:41                   ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09  3:04                     ` Greg KH
2010-10-09  9:32                       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:05                     ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 10:39                       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:52                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11 11:23                         ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 12:03                           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 12:30                             ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-11 22:53                               ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-14 15:02                               ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-14 17:18                                 ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-14 17:44                                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 11:01                       ` Pawel Moll
2010-10-11 11:03                         ` Catalin Marinas
2010-10-16  2:39                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-16  9:43                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09  0:10               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09  0:56               ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09  9:21                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 10:28                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 11:11                     ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-10-09 11:43                       ` Dave Airlie
2010-10-09 11:55                         ` Christoph Hellwig
2010-10-09 12:17                           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 12:10                         ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 14:37                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 16:18                             ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 11:44                       ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-09 12:05                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 11:59                       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 14:43                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2010-10-09 18:59                           ` Guennadi Liakhovetski
2010-10-10  1:52                   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11  8:35                     ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-11  9:02                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11  9:24                         ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-10-11 10:08                           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-11 10:15                             ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-11 15:25                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-14 14:47                       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-19  8:13                       ` Colin Cross
2010-10-19 18:12                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-19 19:21                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-23  9:43                       ` [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 10:12                         ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-23 10:26                           ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 14:08                             ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-11-23 14:17                               ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24  8:02                                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-12-06  8:33                                   ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-12-06 10:14                                     ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-12-06 10:26                                       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-12-06 11:37                                         ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-12-06 11:46                                           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-12-06 14:09                                             ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-12-06 14:34                                               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-12-06 14:54                                                 ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-12-06 16:54                                                   ` Alberto Panizzo
2010-11-23 10:39                           ` About multi-line printk and the need (not) to repeat loglevel markers [Was: Re: [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera] Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 10:58                             ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-23 22:16                               ` Linus Torvalds
2010-11-23 22:33                                 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-11-23 23:23                                   ` Joe Perches
2010-11-24  8:17                                 ` Uwe Kleine-König
2010-11-24  9:09                                   ` Michał Mirosław
2010-11-23 22:54                         ` [PATCH] ARM: mx3/pcm037: properly allocate memory for mx3-camera Guennadi Liakhovetski
2010-10-09  0:45             ` [PATCH] ARM: allow, but warn, when issuing ioremap() on RAM Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09  8:56               ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-08 23:19       ` Greg KH
2010-10-09  3:36         ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09 10:00           ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 17:38             ` Nicolas Pitre
2010-10-09 20:16               ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-13 16:17             ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-14 13:48               ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-14 15:29                 ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-16  2:36       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-17 13:05         ` Woodruff, Richard
2010-10-17 23:17           ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2010-10-08 19:58   ` Andrew Morton
2010-10-09 13:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 16:07   ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-09 16:45     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2010-10-09 19:25       ` Felipe Contreras
2010-10-10 14:23       ` Pedanekar, Hemant
2010-10-11  9:26       ` Catalin Marinas

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