From: grant.likely@secretlab.ca (Grant Likely)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 08:57:51 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20110612145751.GA4013@ponder.secretlab.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106121615.24059.arnd@arndb.de>
On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 04:15:23PM +0200, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> On Sunday 12 June 2011 13:58:20 Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > Exactly my point - I have quite a number of platforms here which will
> > never be able to have a boot loader capable of modifying a DT blob for
> > the kernel.
> >
> > One of the points of Nicolas' patch set is to allow existing boot loaders
> > to boot kernels where the hardware description is contained in a DT blob
> > encapsulated with the kernel. That's great but the way things are currently
> > setup, it means that the boot loader does nothing more than loading and
> > executing - and we lose the existing flexibility for the boot loader to
> > pass platform specific information to the kernel.
> >
> > So, what I'm considering to do is update the boot protocol such that the
> > base address of the DT blob is provided in r3, separately from the ATAG
> > pointer in r2.
> >
> > This means that boot loaders can provide a DT blob (r2 = 0 r3 => DT) or
> > they can provide ATAGs (r2 => atag, r3 = indeterminant). We can then
> > cater for the situation where we have an ATAG boot loader, but a kernel
> > with an appended DT description (r2 => atag, r3 => DT) and have the ATAG
> > information override the DT for things like memory layout and the command
> > line string.
>
> But when you have both atag and DT and the atag overrides the DT, that
> means we have incorrect information in the DT, and code might later
> rely on that information.
>
> IMHO when we allow passing a DT to a kernel while booting from an
> existing boot loader that only knows about atag, the code that loads
> the DT should be responsible for updating the DT with the atag information,
> not pass two conflicting sets of data into the actual kernel.
I completely agree here. I /started/ from the position that ATAGs and
DTB would coexist, and after extensive debate[1] my opinion turned around
to it should be one or the other. Otherwise there are all kinds of
questions about accuracy of the information and which takes
precedence.
[1]http://lists.ozlabs.org/pipermail/devicetree-discuss/2010-May/002130.html
> > Let me give a situation where this matters: you have a boot loader which
> > loads a kernel from disk and executes it. You have 256MB of RAM fitted
> > to the machine. You replace this kernel with a DT-enabled kernel which
> > has the DT blob appended to the kernel. The DT blob says you have 256MB
> > of RAM.
> >
> > You remove a 128MB DIMM because its gone faulty. You try to boot. The
> > boot loader provides the kernel with an ATAG telling it that there's
> > 128MB of RAM. However, the kernel ignores the ATAGs and instead looks
> > at the encapsulated DT information which tells it that there's 256MB
> > of RAM. Your kernel OOPSes. You reboot, and try passing a command
> > line argument of 'mem=128M'. The kernel again ignores this because its
> > an ATAG.
> >
> > The result: you can't boot the platform.
> >
> > Another case: your flash has become corrupted, and the kernel won't mount
> > the flash based rootfs. You want to boot from a root-NFS export to sort
> > the problem out, but the kernel ignores your new command line telling it
> > to do so.
> >
> > The result: you can't boot the platform.
> >
> > Another case: you have a Thecus N2100 acting as a server, with a pair
> > of drives setup as raid 1. You reboot it one day and it refuses to build
> > the raid 1 rootfs, and so panics at boot. You want to change the kernel
> > command line so that it mounts root from somewhere else, but because
> > you're using a DT based kernel, it ignores you.
> >
> > The result: you can't boot the platform.
>
> So we need to at least the command line and the memory layout to be adapted
> in the in-memory DT, from the atags. Any other tags?
initrd location.
There already exists a prototype patch that loads some atag data into
the dt, and it is exactly the mechanism used by powerpc to boot kernels
on non-dt firmware.
g.
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Thread overview: 74+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-12 6:06 [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 6:06 ` [PATCH 1/3] ARM: zImage: ensure it is always a multiple of 64 bits in size Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 10:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-13 11:24 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 14:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 6:06 ` [PATCH 2/3] ARM: zImage: Allow the appending of a device tree binary Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 15:01 ` Grant Likely
2011-06-13 10:46 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-13 11:26 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 14:08 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 6:06 ` [PATCH 3/3] ARM: zImage: make sure appended DTB doesn't get overwritten by kernel .bss Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 10:47 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-12 8:15 ` [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 8:34 ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-12 9:21 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 9:38 ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-12 9:52 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 10:42 ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-12 10:40 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 23:04 ` David Brown
2011-06-13 23:13 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 7:09 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 11:25 ` Shawn Guo
2011-06-14 14:53 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-14 17:28 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 20:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 21:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 21:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-14 22:06 ` Grant Likely
2011-06-15 8:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-14 22:32 ` Rob Herring
2011-06-14 23:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-15 2:09 ` Rob Herring
2011-06-15 2:21 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 21:38 ` David Brown
2011-06-14 23:27 ` [PATCH] Support multiple MEM tags with atags->fdt conversion David Brown
2011-06-15 19:50 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-15 20:15 ` David Brown
2011-06-15 20:20 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-16 1:43 ` David Gibson
2011-06-20 4:03 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-20 4:53 ` David Gibson
2011-06-17 20:23 ` David Brown
2011-06-12 11:22 ` [PATCH 0/3] patches to allow DTB to be appended to the ARM zImage Petr Štetiar
2011-06-12 11:58 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 14:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-12 14:34 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 15:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-12 15:35 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 15:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 20:24 ` Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov
2011-06-13 22:05 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 23:33 ` Grant Likely
2011-06-12 14:57 ` Grant Likely [this message]
2011-06-12 15:19 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 15:47 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-12 15:59 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-12 18:59 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 9:51 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-13 14:14 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 14:20 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2011-06-13 15:02 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-13 15:14 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-13 15:17 ` Grant Likely
2011-06-12 19:26 ` Warner Losh
2011-06-13 9:59 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-06-12 15:41 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-06-14 0:13 ` David Brown
2011-09-06 11:23 ` Linus Walleij
2011-06-21 1:40 ` David Gibson
2011-06-13 4:31 ` Grant Likely
2011-06-13 20:44 ` Nicolas Pitre
2011-09-05 15:43 ` Tony Lindgren
2011-09-05 19:32 ` Nicolas Pitre
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