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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: L1 & L2 cache flush sequence on CortexA5 MPcore w.r.t low power modes
Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 11:15:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20120515101505.GG10453@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120515100902.GA10463@e102568-lin.cambridge.arm.com>

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:09:02AM +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:40:10AM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 06:15:33PM +0100, Lorenzo Pieralisi wrote:
> > > On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 05:39:09PM +0100, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > From what you're saying - and from my understanding of your cache behaviours,
> > > > even the sequence:
> > > > - clean cache
> > > > - disable C bit
> > > > - clean cache
> > > > is buggy.
> > > 
> > > No, that's correct, works fine on A9 and A15. Second clean is mostly nops.
> > 
> > It's racy.  Consider this:
> > 
> > 	- clean cache
> > 	- cache speculatively prefetches a dirty cache line from another CPU
> > 	- disable C bit
> 	- clean cache

Thank you for totally missing the point and destroying the example.

> > At this point, you lose access to that dirty data.  If that dirty data is
> > used inbetween disabling the C bit and cleaning the cache for the second
> > time, you have data corruption issues.
> 
> It is not racy. After disabling the C bit the cache clean operations write-back
> any dirty cache line to the next cache level. And the CPU is still in coherency
> mode so there is not a problem with that either.

No.  *THINK* about the exact example I gave you.  Think about what state
the CPU sees between that "disable C bit" and the final cache clean (which
you seem to be insisting is an atomic operation.)

Please, read what I'm saying rather than re-interpreting it, augmenting it
and then answering something entirely different.

> > As I have said, given what you've mentioned, it is impossible to safely
> > disable the cache on a SMP system.  In order to do it safely, you need to
> > have a way to disable new allocations into the cache _without_ disabling
> > the ability for the cache to be searched.
> 
> Cache lines can be acted upon with maintenance operations whether the C bit is
> set or clear. For instance caches can be invalidated when the MMU is off
> and the C bit is clear, eg v7 boot.
> 
> Cache cleaning and cache enabling/disabling are two different things, that's
> valid for the PL310 as well.

Yes, of course I realise that.  That's not what I'm talking about at all.

  reply	other threads:[~2012-05-15 10:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2012-05-14  7:03 L1 & L2 cache flush sequence on CortexA5 MPcore w.r.t low power modes Murali N
2012-05-14 15:50 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-14 15:58   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-14 16:21     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-14 16:39       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-14 17:15         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-15  9:25           ` Murali N
2012-05-15  9:40           ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-15 10:09             ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-15 10:15               ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2012-05-15 16:28                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-15 16:36                   ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2012-05-15 17:05                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-09-19  8:55                       ` Antti P Miettinen
2012-09-20  9:54                         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-09-20 21:17                           ` Antti P Miettinen
2012-09-23 21:32                             ` Antti P Miettinen
2013-02-22  9:04                               ` Antti P Miettinen
2013-02-22  9:39                                 ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2013-02-23 20:41                                   ` Antti P Miettinen
2013-02-25 13:36                                     ` Lorenzo Pieralisi
2012-05-15 18:17                     ` Will Deacon
2012-05-17  5:01                       ` Murali N
2012-05-17  7:30                         ` Shilimkar, Santosh
2013-12-24 17:52       ` Antti Miettinen
2014-01-06 12:43         ` Lorenzo Pieralisi

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