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From: linux@arm.linux.org.uk (Russell King - ARM Linux)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH] arm: add check for global exclusive monitor
Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 10:59:57 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130220105957.GV17833@n2100.arm.linux.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABV+yWu10D_6QWb3ShJLsxdBtf0=8mM3Lpt6Y2gZfYHwgbq23g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Feb 20, 2013 at 08:55:34AM +0400, Vladimir Murzin wrote:
> Thanks for review Russel!
> 
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 04:44:20PM +0000, Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 08:26:50PM +0400, Vladimir Murzin wrote:
> > > +void __init check_gmonitor_bugs(void)
> > > +{
> > > +   struct page *page;
> > > +   const char *reason;
> > > +   unsigned long res = 1;
> > > +
> > > +   printk(KERN_INFO "CPU: Testing for global monitor: ");
> > > +
> > > +   page = alloc_page(GFP_KERNEL);
> > > +   if (page) {
> > > +           unsigned long *p;
> > > +           pgprot_t prot = __pgprot_modify(PAGE_KERNEL,
> > > +                                   L_PTE_MT_MASK, L_PTE_MT_UNCACHED);
> > > +
> > > +           p = vmap(&page, 1, VM_IOREMAP, prot);
> >
> > This is bad practise.  Remapping a page of already mapped kernel memory
> > using different attributes (in this case, strongly ordered) is _definitely_
> > a violation of the architecture requirements.  The behaviour you will see
> > from this are in no way guaranteed.
> DDI0406C_arm_architecture_reference_manual.pdf (A3-131) says:
> 
> A memory location can be marked as having different cacheability
> attributes, for example when using aliases in a
> virtual to physical address mapping:
> * if the attributes differ only in the cache allocation hint this does
>   not affect the behavior of accesses to that location
> * for other cases see Mismatched memory attributes on page A3-136.
> 
> Isn't L_PTE_MT_UNCACHED about cache allocation hint?

No.  I've told you above what this gets you.

> > If you want to do this, it must either come from highmem, or not already
> > be mapped.
> >
> > Moreover, this is absolutely silly - the ARM ARM says:
> >
> > "LDREX and STREX operations *must* be performed only on memory with the
> >  Normal memory attribute."
> 
> DDI0406C_arm_architecture_reference_manual.pdf (A3-121) says:
> 
> It is IMPLEMENTATION DEFINED whether LDREX and STREX operations can be
> performed to a memory region with the Device or Strongly-ordered
> memory attribute. Unless the implementation documentation explicitly
> states that LDREX and STREX operations to a memory region with the
> Device or Strongly-ordered attribute are permitted, the effect of such
> operations is UNPREDICTABLE.
> 
> At least it allows to perform operations on memory region with the
> Strongly-ordered attribute... but still unpredictable.

And "unpredictable" means that you can't rely on *any* aspect of its
behaviour.  You can't test for its behaviour and then rely on the
result of that test telling you how it will behave in future.

Even if a "ldrex/strex" sequence to a strongly-ordered region succeeds
or fails, that's no guarantee with "unpredictable" that it will have
that behaviour next time.

> > L_PTE_MT_UNCACHED doesn't get you that.  As I say above, that gets you
> > strongly ordered memory, not "normal memory" as required by the
> > architecture for use with exclusive types.
> >
> > > +
> > > +           if (p) {
> > > +                   int temp;
> > > +
> > > +                   __asm__ __volatile__(                   \
> > > +                           "ldrex   %1, [%2]\n"            \
> > > +                           "strex   %0, %1, [%2]"          \
> > > +                           : "=&r" (res), "=&r" (temp)     \
> > > +                           : "r" (p)                       \
> >
> > \ character not required for any of the above.  Neither is the __ version
> > of "asm" and "volatile".
> Thanks.
> >
> > > +                           : "cc", "memory");
> > > +
> > > +                           reason = "n\\a (atomic ops may be faulty)";
> >
> > "n\\a" ?
> "not detected"?
> > So... at the moment this has me wondering - you're testing atomic
> > operations with a strongly ordered memory region, which ARM already
> > define this to be outside of the architecture spec.  The behaviour you
> > see is not defined architecturally.
> >
> > And if you're trying to use LDREX/STREX to a strongly ordered or device
> > memory region, then you're quite right that it'll be unreliable.  It's
> > not defined to even work.  That's not because they're faulty, it's because
> > you're abusing them.
> However, IRL it is not hard to meet this undefined difference. At
> least I'm able to see it on Tegra2 Harmony and Pandaboard. Moreover,
> demand on Normal memory attribute breaks up ability to turn caches
> off. In this case we are not able to boot the system up (seen on
> Tegra2 harmony). This patch is aimed to highlight the difference in
> implementation. That's why it has some softering in guessing about
> faulty. Might be it worth warning about unpredictable effect instead?

You're soo busy quoting bits of architecture manual back at me that you
can't see your own errors - errors which I've pointed out already.

"normal memory" != "uncached".  Normal memory can be uncacheable.
Asking the kernel for L_PTE_MT_BUFFERABLE will give you "normal memory,
uncached".

  reply	other threads:[~2013-02-20 10:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-02-18 16:26 [PATCH] arm: add check for global exclusive monitor Vladimir Murzin
2013-02-18 16:44 ` Russell King - ARM Linux
     [not found]   ` <20130219105534.GA31156@murzin.rnd.samsung.ru>
2013-02-20  4:55     ` Vladimir Murzin
2013-02-20 10:59       ` Russell King - ARM Linux [this message]
2013-02-22 16:46         ` Vladimir Murzin

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