From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 From: richardcochran@gmail.com (Richard Cochran) Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 20:31:01 +0200 Subject: [Ksummit-2013-discuss] DT bindings as ABI [was: Do we have people interested in device tree janitoring / cleanup?] In-Reply-To: <51F39FD8.6080808@broadcom.com> References: <20130725175702.GC22291@e106331-lin.cambridge.arm.com> <20130727050406.GB4221@netboy> <2007664.vYsECFSKrV@flatron> <51F39FD8.6080808@broadcom.com> Message-ID: <20130727183059.GD4813@netboy> To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org List-Id: linux-arm-kernel.lists.infradead.org On Sat, Jul 27, 2013 at 12:24:24PM +0200, Arend van Spriel wrote: > > That is a nice summary of how we got from null to now and Richard > seems to be simply saying: let's stop mucking about and make this a > project with a well-defined process of dealing with staging and > stable bindings and keep stable bindings stable. Yes, that is right. Frankly, I am really surprised and shocked at the cavalier attitude expressed here WRT DT bindings in released kernels. Think about the *users* of this code. Not everyone working with ARM Linux is a kernel developer or a DT guru. There is really no indication at all that the ARM Linux DT stuff released so far are not stable and trustworthy. It is not nice to provide such a mess, and the idea that we *must* have a mess because the whole system in still in development is bogus, IMHO. Just make sure that the mainline kernel is really working and that the DT bindings *there* are for keeps. It is your job as kernel developers. Thanks, Richard