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From: catalin.marinas@arm.com (Catalin Marinas)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v3 1/3] ARM: Introduce atomic MMIO modify
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 2013 11:03:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20130830100342.GD62188@MacBook-Pro.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20130830092032.GD25628@mudshark.cambridge.arm.com>

On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:20:33AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:15:36AM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 10:08:07AM +0100, Will Deacon wrote:
> > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:48:05PM +0100, Catalin Marinas wrote:
> > > > On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 12:32:26PM +0100, Ezequiel Garcia wrote:
> > > > > ... or maybe yes. I'm not seeing {readl,writel}_relaxed as guaranteed
> > > > > to exist in every architecture. So, indeed, this seems to be ARM-dependent.
> > > > 
> > > > There was a discussion couple of years ago to make these part of the IO
> > > > specification since many architectures define them:
> > > > 
> > > > http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.kernel/117626
> > > > 
> > > > (and some older threads on linux-arch which I haven't searched)
> > > > 
> > > > We could have some default implementation pointing to readl/writel while
> > > > letting the arch code to define more optimised variants.
> > > 
> > > The main thing I dislike about that is the back-to-back dsbs that you will
> > > get from the read-(modify)-write. It really makes the non-optimised version
> > > needlessly expensive.
> > 
> > Yes, it's pretty bad. But we don't have relaxed (write) accessors on
> > other architectures and I'm not sure about their semantics either. I
> > guess here it's a data dependency so you cannot write the value before
> > reading it, especially since sane architectures should speculate reads
> > or writes to device memory.
> > 
> > What about making it always use *_relaxed() accessors if the
> > architecture provides them? No need for atomic_io_modify_relaxed().
> 
> The only potential problem there is if somebody uses this function to kick
> off a DMA. That would require explicit barriers to enforce ordering against
> population of normal, cacheable buffers, which isn't usually the case in
> driver code (since we have the dsb/outer_sync in the accessor).
> 
> Perhaps we should just bit the bullet and define relaxed accessors for all
> architectures? It's not difficult to default them to the non-relaxed
> variants if the architecture doesn't provide an optimised implementation.

Yes, an asm-generic default relaxed would be good (that's what I
suggested earlier in this thread and it was discussed in the past). But
no-one volunteered ;).

-- 
Catalin

  reply	other threads:[~2013-08-30 10:03 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-08-23 10:24 [PATCH v3 0/3] Introduce atomic MMIO register modify Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 1/3] ARM: Introduce atomic MMIO modify Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 10:38   ` Baruch Siach
2013-08-23 11:07     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 11:32       ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 11:48         ` Catalin Marinas
2013-08-30  9:08           ` Will Deacon
2013-08-30  9:15             ` Catalin Marinas
2013-08-30  9:20               ` Will Deacon
2013-08-30 10:03                 ` Catalin Marinas [this message]
2013-08-30 20:08                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-08-30 22:18                     ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2013-09-05  8:59                   ` Gregory CLEMENT
2013-09-05  9:08                     ` Will Deacon
2013-09-05  9:20                       ` Gregory CLEMENT
2013-09-06 16:48                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2013-08-23 11:28   ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 2/3] clocksource: orion: Use atomic access for shared registers Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 10:38   ` Baruch Siach
2013-08-23 10:49     ` Ezequiel Garcia
2013-08-23 10:24 ` [PATCH v3 3/3] watchdog: " Ezequiel Garcia

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