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From: mjg59@srcf.ucam.org (Matthew Garrett)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: ACPI
Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 16:56:03 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131121165603.GA22960@srcf.ucam.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <F5C3F66D-C7C0-494A-8561-77E1DE0FA103@jonmasters.org>

On Mon, Nov 18, 2013 at 01:42:32PM -0500, Jon Masters wrote:

> Starting a new thread with a question. Suppose for a moment that ACPI 
> is the way of the future and that there is, in fact, already a three 
> year story behind this[0] that will come out in due course. What could 
> be done to make things smoother /going forward/? Could we articulate a 
> series of useful asks that would help with moving forward with ACPI? 
> For example, it is clear that there needs to be more involvement in 
> the standardization of ACPI (this is why we initiated the governance 
> model change of ACPI several years ago that has taken this long to 
> resolve with everyone involved in that) and we want to get more ARM 
> kernel folks involved. But what else? Blank slate. What do we need to 
> make ACPI a success here?

Define what ARM vendors actually want from ACPI. Most ACPI functionality 
is entirely invisible to userspace. The enterprise-level functionality 
in the DSDT is all vendor-specific and exists primarily because of a 
Windows design decision[0], so there's no obvious requirement to do 
things the same way this time around. The other tables are meaningful, 
but also don't require the DSDT or a runtime ACPI interpreter.

The obvious compromise implementation would be to continue using DT for 
device discovery and just use ACPI as a means for providing static data. 
This would be a strict violation of the ACPI spec as it currently 
stands, but the only real change would be making the DSDT optional. Why 
would that not satisfy vendor requirements?

[0] Microsoft specced a mechanism for gluing WMI into ACPI, which means 
you can pretty much implement all your vendor magic in userspace rather 
than having to write a driver and get it signed

-- 
Matthew Garrett | mjg59 at srcf.ucam.org

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-11-21 16:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2013-11-18 18:42 ACPI Jon Masters
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2013-11-19 18:15 ` ACPI Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-21 20:03   ` ACPI Mark Brown
2013-11-22  0:29     ` ACPI Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-22  4:05       ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-22 20:31         ` ACPI Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-22 20:59           ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-22 21:37             ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-23  9:11               ` ACPI Arnd Bergmann
2013-11-23 18:39                 ` ACPI Jason Gunthorpe
2013-11-23 23:03                   ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-24  3:52                     ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-24  3:56                       ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-24 23:21                         ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-24 23:40                           ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-22 13:19       ` ACPI Mark Brown
2013-11-19 18:28 ` ACPI Måns Rullgård
2013-11-21 16:56 ` Matthew Garrett [this message]
2013-11-24 17:14 ` ACPI Linus Walleij
2013-11-25  0:42   ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-25  1:28     ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-25 11:07     ` ACPI Linus Walleij
2013-11-25 11:33       ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-25 15:41         ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-26 12:43           ` ACPI Linus Walleij
2013-11-26 12:55             ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-26 13:43               ` ACPI Jürgen Beisert
2013-11-27 12:25                 ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-28 13:16                   ` ACPI Linus Walleij
2013-11-26 18:33               ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-26 23:11                 ` ACPI Matt Sealey
2013-11-26 23:32                   ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-27 11:00                     ` ACPI Catalin Marinas
2013-11-27 22:12                       ` ACPI Nicolas Pitre
2013-11-27 20:21                     ` ACPI Matt Sealey
2013-11-28  6:21                       ` ACPI Jon Masters
2013-11-28 18:26                     ` ACPI Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-28 18:48                       ` ACPI Matthew Garrett
2013-11-28 18:51                         ` ACPI Stefano Stabellini
2013-11-27 14:16                   ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-27 22:17                     ` ACPI Matt Sealey
2013-11-28 13:50                       ` ACPI Leif Lindholm
2013-11-28 15:43                       ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-27 12:41                 ` ACPI Grant Likely
2013-11-26 14:45             ` ACPI Matthew Garrett

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