From: christoffer.dall@linaro.org (Christoffer Dall)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2014 14:21:47 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140226222147.GE16149@cbox> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CABGGisxHOVqLcG7hVAuAzdeic41KWSLLBSjQLSJQcjTXLhNCow@mail.gmail.com>
On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 03:56:02PM -0600, Rob Herring wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> wrote:
> > On Wednesday 26 February 2014 12:05:37 Christoffer Dall wrote:
> >> On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 08:55:58PM +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday 26 February 2014 10:34:54 Christoffer Dall wrote:
> >>
> >> The most common response I've been getting so far is that people
> >> generally want their VMs to look close to the real thing, but not sure
> >> how valid an argument that is.
> >>
> >> Some people feel strongly about this and seem to think that ARMv8
> >> kernels will only work with ACPI in the future...
> >
> > That is certainly a misconception that has caused a lot of trouble.
> > We will certainly keep supporting FDT boot in ARMv8 indefinitely,
> > and I expect that most systems will not use ACPI at all.
>
> Furthermore, even enterprise distro kernels will boot DT based kernels
> assuming the h/w support is mainlined despite statements to the
> contrary. It is a requirement in mainline kernels that DT and ACPI
> support to coexist. Distros are not going to go out of their way to
> undo/break that. And since the boot interface is DT, you can't simply
> turn off DT. :)
>
Personally I'm all for simplicity so I don't want to push any agenda for
ACPI in VMs.
Note that the spec does not mandate the use of ACPI, it just tells you
how to do it if you wish to.
But, we can change the spec to require full FDT description of the
system, unless of course some of the ACPI-in-VM supporters manage to
convince the rest.
-Christoffer
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-02-26 22:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-02-26 18:34 [RFC] ARM VM System Sepcification Christoffer Dall
[not found] ` < CACxGe6tjuytsYAn6Hadf0AK+REzHgRydgbHPafL8+Sdtd_tMUA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 19:27 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 19:51 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 13:12 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-27 16:02 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 15:41 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 19:55 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-26 20:05 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-26 20:22 ` Arnd Bergmann
[not found] ` < CABGGisxHOVqLcG7hVAuAzdeic41KWSLLBSjQLSJQcjTXLhNCow@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 21:56 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:21 ` Christoffer Dall [this message]
2014-02-27 7:30 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 10:05 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-01 19:12 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 9:35 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-02-26 20:19 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-02-26 20:20 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 21:48 ` Leif Lindholm
2014-02-26 22:25 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-01 19:20 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-27 12:31 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-02-27 14:00 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-27 14:24 ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-27 19:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 0:05 ` Alexander Graf
2014-02-28 10:01 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-02-28 14:44 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:25 ` Grant Likely
2014-02-26 22:49 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 22:54 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-26 23:08 ` Rob Herring
2014-02-26 23:14 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 4:06 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-02-27 11:36 ` Robie Basak
2014-02-26 23:13 ` Christopher Covington
2014-02-26 21:05 ` Michael Hudson-Doyle
2014-02-26 21:08 ` Christoffer Dall
[not found] ` <CACxGe6tjuytsYAn6Hadf0AK+REzHgRydgbHPafL8+Sdtd_tMUA@mail.gmail.com>
2014-02-26 22:47 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-02-27 12:27 ` Stefano Stabellini
2014-03-01 19:54 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-02 9:29 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 12:55 ` Peter Maydell
2014-02-27 0:41 ` Blibbet
[not found] ` <20140226134251.0436294e@anubis.ausil.us>
[not found] ` <CAMJs5B9bCs8Oz2Zg4UK--A3H4AaZRPMwy7SpxYom-1--_=qhBQ@mail.gmail.com>
[not found] ` <20140226151536.58154704@anubis.ausil.us>
2014-02-27 17:34 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-01 15:27 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-03 1:13 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-06 8:52 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 9:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-06 11:44 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-06 12:04 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-06 12:10 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-07 12:24 ` Grant Likely
[not found] ` < 20140322010206.GF25519@cbox>
2014-03-22 2:29 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-22 8:08 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-23 3:19 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-23 3:29 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24 9:57 ` Robie Basak
2014-03-24 10:46 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 12:23 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 19:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-22 22:35 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-22 23:38 ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-23 0:33 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-23 3:23 ` Christoffer Dall
2014-03-24 9:03 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 10:41 ` Paolo Bonzini
2014-03-24 10:47 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-24 12:13 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-24 12:16 ` Ian Campbell
2014-03-07 12:19 ` Grant Likely
2014-03-08 11:41 ` Michael Casadevall
2014-03-08 20:41 ` Laszlo Ersek
2014-03-07 12:09 ` Grant Likely
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