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From: morten.rasmussen@arm.com (Morten Rasmussen)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 18:41:25 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140603174125.GG29593@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603155939.GA30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 04:59:39PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 01:03:54PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > An unweighted version of cfs.runnable_load_avg gives you a metric that
> > captures cpu utilization to some extend, but not the number of tasks.
> > And it reflects task migrations immediately unlike the rq
> > runnable_avg_sum.
> 
> So runnable_avg would be equal to the utilization as long as
> there's idle time, as soon as we're over-loaded the metric shows how
> much extra cpu is required.
> 
> That is, runnable_avg - running_avg >= 0 and the amount is the
> exact amount of extra cpu required to make all tasks run but not have
> idle time.

Yes, roughly. runnable_avg goes up quite steeply if you have many tasks
on a fully utilized cpu, so the actual amount of extra cpu required
might be somewhat lower. I can't come up with something better, so I
agree.

> 
> > Agreed, but I think it is quite important to discuss what we understand
> > by cpu utilization. It seems to be different depending on what you want
> > to use it for.
> 
> I understand utilization to be however much cpu is actually used, so I
> would, per the existing naming, call running_avg to be the avg
> utilization of a task/group/cpu whatever.

I see your point, but for load balancing purposes we are more intested
in the runnable_avg as it tells us about the cpu capacity requirements.
I don't like to throw more terms into the mix, but you could call
runnable_avg the potential task/group/cpu utilization. This is an
estimate of how much utilization a task would cause if we moved it to an
idle cpu. That might be quite different from running_avg on an
over-utilized cpu.

> 
> > We have done experiments internally with rq runnable_avg_sum for
> > load-balancing decisions in the past and found it unsuitable due to its
> > slow response to task migrations. That is why I brought it up here.
> 
> So I'm not entirely seeing that from the code (I've not traced this),
> afaict we actually update the per-cpu values on migration based on the
> task values.
> 
> old_rq->sum -= p->val;
> new_rq->sum += p->val;
> 
> like,.. except of course totally obscured.

Yes, for cfs.runnable_load_avg, rq->avg.runnable_avg_sum is different.
See the other reply.

  reply	other threads:[~2014-06-03 17:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  7:49     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:16       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28  6:49           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  9:42       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05  8:59           ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16  9:01             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06  7:01         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22   ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26  8:25     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:19       ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28  7:01     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41               ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2014-06-03 15:50         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  7:47           ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04  8:08             ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  8:55               ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:23                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04  9:35                   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:44                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04  9:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00                 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36                   ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07                     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23                       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52                         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09                           ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23                             ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40     ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16       ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39         ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11       ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30  9:50   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33       ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24  0:34       ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29  9:50   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:29       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15           ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31             ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26   ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45       ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02  6:21     ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03  9:50       ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02   ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30  6:34       ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13         ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26  9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54     ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27  5:47       ` Preeti U Murthy

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