From: morten.rasmussen@arm.com (Morten Rasmussen)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 18:41:25 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140603174125.GG29593@e103034-lin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140603155939.GA30445@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 04:59:39PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 01:03:54PM +0100, Morten Rasmussen wrote:
> > An unweighted version of cfs.runnable_load_avg gives you a metric that
> > captures cpu utilization to some extend, but not the number of tasks.
> > And it reflects task migrations immediately unlike the rq
> > runnable_avg_sum.
>
> So runnable_avg would be equal to the utilization as long as
> there's idle time, as soon as we're over-loaded the metric shows how
> much extra cpu is required.
>
> That is, runnable_avg - running_avg >= 0 and the amount is the
> exact amount of extra cpu required to make all tasks run but not have
> idle time.
Yes, roughly. runnable_avg goes up quite steeply if you have many tasks
on a fully utilized cpu, so the actual amount of extra cpu required
might be somewhat lower. I can't come up with something better, so I
agree.
>
> > Agreed, but I think it is quite important to discuss what we understand
> > by cpu utilization. It seems to be different depending on what you want
> > to use it for.
>
> I understand utilization to be however much cpu is actually used, so I
> would, per the existing naming, call running_avg to be the avg
> utilization of a task/group/cpu whatever.
I see your point, but for load balancing purposes we are more intested
in the runnable_avg as it tells us about the cpu capacity requirements.
I don't like to throw more terms into the mix, but you could call
runnable_avg the potential task/group/cpu utilization. This is an
estimate of how much utilization a task would cause if we moved it to an
idle cpu. That might be quite different from running_avg on an
over-utilized cpu.
>
> > We have done experiments internally with rq runnable_avg_sum for
> > load-balancing decisions in the past and found it unsuitable due to its
> > slow response to task migrations. That is why I brought it up here.
>
> So I'm not entirely seeing that from the code (I've not traced this),
> afaict we actually update the per-cpu values on migration based on the
> task values.
>
> old_rq->sum -= p->val;
> new_rq->sum += p->val;
>
> like,.. except of course totally obscured.
Yes, for cfs.runnable_load_avg, rq->avg.runnable_avg_sum is different.
See the other reply.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-06-03 17:41 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 108+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-23 15:52 [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 01/11] sched: fix imbalance flag reset Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 10:33 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 7:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:16 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 02/11] sched: remove a wake_affine condition Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 12:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:19 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 15:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 16:14 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 6:49 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:09 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-28 15:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:43 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 13:45 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-27 15:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 03/11] sched: fix avg_load computation Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 13:48 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 04/11] sched: Allow all archs to set the power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 14:04 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 14:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 9:42 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-04 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-05 8:59 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-16 9:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 13:22 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 14:02 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:17 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-06 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:52 ` [PATCH v2 05/11] ARM: topology: use new cpu_power interface Vincent Guittot
2014-05-25 13:22 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 8:25 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:19 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 06/11] sched: add per rq cpu_power_orig Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 07/11] Revert "sched: Put rq's sched_avg under CONFIG_FAIR_GROUP_SCHED" Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 08/11] sched: get CPU's activity statistic Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 17:32 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 7:01 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 12:10 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 13:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 15:47 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 16:39 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 12:03 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 15:59 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:41 ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2014-06-03 15:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:20 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 7:47 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 8:08 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 8:55 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:23 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 9:35 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:25 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:44 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 9:32 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 10:00 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 10:36 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 10:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-04 11:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 11:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 11:52 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-04 13:09 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-04 13:23 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-05-28 15:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 15:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:16 ` Morten Rasmussen
2014-06-03 17:37 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 17:39 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 23:11 ` Yuyang Du
2014-05-30 9:50 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:20 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-01 11:33 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-06-02 14:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 09/11] sched: test the cpu's capacity in wake affine Vincent Guittot
2014-05-28 10:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-28 11:15 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-11-24 0:34 ` Wanpeng Li
2014-11-24 13:23 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 10/11] sched: move cfs task on a CPU with higher capacity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 9:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:37 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 6:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 20:05 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 17:06 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-03 11:15 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-06-03 12:31 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:04 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:44 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 13:26 ` Dietmar Eggemann
2014-05-30 19:24 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 19:45 ` Nicolas Pitre
2014-05-30 20:07 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-23 15:53 ` [PATCH v2 11/11] sched: replace capacity by activity Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:51 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-06-02 6:21 ` Preeti U Murthy
2014-06-03 9:50 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-29 14:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-29 19:56 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-30 6:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
2014-05-30 19:13 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 9:44 ` [PATCH v2 00/11] sched: consolidation of cpu_power Preeti U Murthy
2014-05-26 10:04 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-26 15:54 ` Vincent Guittot
2014-05-27 5:47 ` Preeti U Murthy
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